And accomplished sweet fuck all
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So glad we’ve been spending billions building and stockpiling these things for my entire life, only to run out after [checks notes] six months of bullshit that accomplished nothing.
Turns out giving a low IQ pedo the keys to the kingdom isn't such a great idea.
Really wish conservatives/regressives weren't so painfully stupid/bigoted.
The keys were for a bunch of expensive bullshit though.
Yes, the idiot deciding to use them is a problem - but so is the fact that they don't work. America was bragging that other nations would find out why they don't have healthcare . . . .except there's not even the capability they thought they had.
Time to buy Lockhead Martin and Raytheon stocks before they hand the resupply bill to the Dems after midterms! /s ?
Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS)
Count on the army to refer to their missiles as "attack 'em"s.
The billionaires need to pony up now so we can build more.
There is simply no productive capacity for it. You can spend however many billions you want, but dollars don't magically turn into factories or rare earth metals.
Yeah, the one thing this Admin can't hide at the end of the day is how much money has been evaporated between the war and whatever financial schemes they've enacted along the way. Hope the Repubs love paying for that
It wont be an issue unless the dems get the house and/senate.
And if that happens the Republicans will spend the next however long it takes them to win it back loudly demanding the Democrats somehow eliminate the deficit and cut any program the Republicans don't like (I.E. anything that helps people instead of lining the pockets of the oligarchs).
And the Democrat who's elected will be at best a centrist DINO who won't do anything to move the needle, playing into the eventuality of a Trump 3.0.
Trump probably won't live long enough for a non-consecutive Trump 3.0, let alone have the mental capacity to even pretend he can do it. It'll be MAGA (or neo-MAGA), but not Trump. To be clear, this is the worst case scenario because American democracy wouldn't survive an afternoon in the hands of someone smart in Trump's position.
I keep telling myself the following:
- There's no way he'll make it to the midterms,
- There's no way he'll make it past 202n
I will never not use the opportunity to post this: https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/
Here’s how it works, laid it out in simple summary:
First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible.
This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”
Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.
This will force the Democrats in power to cut their own social safety net programs and even Social Security, thus shooting their welfare-of-the-American-people Santa Claus right in the face.
And, sure enough, here we are now with a Democrat in the White House. Following their Two Santas strategy, Republicans are again squealing about the national debt and refusing to raise the debt ceiling, imperiling Biden’s economic recovery as well as his Build Back Better plans.
And, once again, the media is covering it as a “Biden Crisis!” rather than what it really is: a cynical political and media strategy devised by Republicans in the 1970s, fine-tuned in the 1980s and 1990s, and rolled out every time a Democrat is in the White House.
Becoming clear that the military industrial complex is actually a very badly diaguised kleptocracy, not that I like either option.
This is what you get when you have an incompetent president whose only "strategy" is to use the military as an extension of his angry outbursts and an equally incompetent secretary of "war" who also believes the only thing necessary to solve the world's problems is an army full of testosterone laden christian warriors let loose with full abandon. And if it diminishes America's standing in the world or its ability to defend itself, all the better.
What would conservatives/regressives be doing if they weren't wasting all our money on things that don't benefit Americans?
It's almost like we should be voting for the other side that's proven to be better regarding our tax dollars and economy as a whole. But I guess we could keep voting for the side that's openly bigoted and really, really bad at managing money. You know, for the lols.
It's just exposing how the weapons belong to a dead end tech tree. The future of war is getting fragged by dollar store drones.
Honestly I don't think that's what we're looking at. This is closer to what happened with machine guns and then later tanks during WW1 and WW2. What we're looking at is a cavalry charge getting shredded by a machine gun and saying mobile warfare is dead, meanwhile the British and French are doing tank R&D.
This happens every couple of decades and lasts about a decade before proper counters can be developed, mind you it's still busted as shit until said counters appear but still.
I can't wait for the weapons industry to unveil the next man made horror beyond my comprehension they'll think of to counter drone swarms
Things are so bleak my mind automatically answered "decoy conscripts."
In this particular case it'll probably be something we already have just cheaper and more specified. Personally my money is on automated AA designed for drones specifically using relatively cheap parts and firing cheap munitions like small caliber rounds to detonate drone payloads. Will probably still cost a hundred bucks or two but that's well within acceptable costs if they work well enough.
It's a good thing we still live in a world where there's a rule of law and we don't have enemies that might take advantage of our military weakness and like attack us or something
This just means we will transition to cheaper less accurate ordinance, killing even more innocent civilians.
Because Hegseth is obsessed with setting records for numbers of bombs dropped, because he wouldn't recognize strategic success if he saw it, which he hasn't, because there hasn't been any.
I just read the prologue for The Enemy Within don't spoil the rest of the story
I can’t help but think that’s bait to start a big war to keep Trump in power.
Stupid has taken over America.
Well if the goal was to stop talking about the Epstein files then I would say mission accomplished.
How much does this reduce security for Americans locally? Like are we more likely to be invaded because of this or is it just the waste of resources we should be mad about?
Nobody's going to invade the US from the outside, you can sleep tight. Completely pointless to even try, y'all are protected by geography before the expensive military even comes into consideration.
Canada and Mexico are the only countries that could invade without being completely bogged down by super long supply lines. Both added together still have a much smaller population than the US. And the US has mountains which can be leveraged to slow down enemy advances.
Let's say the US finds itself without any allies whatsoever. It would take Canada + Mexico + multiple large, well-equipped countries with large navies to have any real hope of getting the US to surrender. Canada, Mexico and China at the very least, someone would also have to come from the Atlantic side with a large navy. It would have to be from all 4 sides, not necessarily at once either - get the US to concentrate the forces to either the atlantic or pacific coast, then surprise them from the other side with an even larger force.
Basically pointless to try, nobody is this stupid. The US is more likely to have an internal coup.
You are probably right, b ur bu really wonder how the drone + ai situation really changes the economics.
The situations in Iran and Ukraine are very eye opening and I worry the us military is way more focused on big strong boats.
Drones work both ways. If the attackers are using drones in the US, what stops the US from using drones in the attacking nations? If anything, it's even more of a reason not to attack. China in particular wouldn't want to deal with what Ukraine is doing to Russia. So many high value industrial targets to bomb. A few bombs in Shenzhen and the production capacity that's lost by people escaping the city is mind boggling.
But the thing to consider is that the defending nation doesn't need to be an economic powerhouse, the attacking ones do. You could cripple the US's economy and more than likely they wouldn't give up fighting... whereas if you're on the attacking side and your economy is damaged, people will start asking why the war is even necessary.
These are ground attack missiles. Not used for defense.
Also not used against aircraft or ships
Why do I have a terrible sneaking suspicion, propaganda or not, that this will be used as an excuse.
Rumors are floating that Russia is toying with making a move on Poland, or perhaps a smaller NATO member. One theory is they're just posturing to detract from the situation with Ukraine and appear strong. Despite this, Ukraine relies heavily on assistance from EU/NATO countries for supplies/money. Even mildly credible threats may force some of those countries to scale back some assistance and focus on internal efforts, which impacts Ukraine's supply chain.
How does this tie in with the US? If a NATO country is attacked and goes Article 5...the US might try to use this as an excuse for lack of significant aid.
The source of those rumors . . . .is apparently the US.
Why would Russia attack Poland, to widen a war that is already a quagmire?
There is no need for an excuse. Article 5 dictates members must help. But it does not dictate how. And members have a fair bit of discretion when it comes to how they assist.
Trump is upset that NATO didn't help with Iran. And will "help" NATO the same way NATO "helped" him. He'll be open about that without shame.
I suspect that the US under Trump not coming to help if a smaller NATO members was attacked by Russia is pretty much considered a realistic scenario in the military planing in Europe for such an event.
Europe's sudden desire for greater military investment started with Russia's invasion of Ukraine but really took of when Trump became POTUS and started his adversarial posture towards Europe (most notably on Greenland), cutting down on help to Ukraine and general militaristic dick-waving.
I think the plan is for Europe to face Russia in a united way and, if the US actually helps in that, that would be nice but not critical.
Judging by the situation in Ukraine if Russia faced a united Europe even without the US it would be crushed no matter how many millions of conscripts they threw at it in human waves.
IMHO the critical part here is a united Europe directly engaging Russia militarily (rather than merely helping with weapons) if Russia attacks an European nation, no matter how small or peripheral, not the participation of the US military.
When the stakes are high and the costs of it real and significant (even just economically, as we saw with the delays in stopping importing Russian fossil fuels when Russia invaded Ukraine) Europe has trouble becoming united in an expedient way.
Judging by the situation in Ukraine if Russia faced a united Europe even without the US it would be crushed
I think that's not the correct lesson. Ukraine, and now Iran, have shown that like in WWI the defenders in 21st century wars have incredible advantages. And that you need to be able to produce drones in massive numbers.
Neither of those favors Europe attacking Russia. Who, you might want to ALSO remember, is a fucking nuclear power.
If you're so eager to go fight Russia, go sign up in Ukraine. But it's a very bad idea for Europe to do so.
Whoa!
How the hell did you leaped from a discussion about "could NATO without the US defend Europe from a Russian attack on it" to "Europe attacking Russia"???!
I don't know which hole that Russia-Propaganda-favorite strawman was pulled out of, but it stinks and has nothing to do with the point that was being made, either by me or in my understanding by anybody before me.
All of a sudden it's like the charge of the tankie brigade around here.
Yeah, I'm a Titoist, not a tankie. Chickenhawks like you apparently can't conceive of any other reason to not support a war, though - that is, as long as you're not fighting, right?
Russia isn't attacking Europe. Europe IS pouring money into Ukraine, with the open purpose of bleeding Russia.
If you want to make sure Russia doesn't attack Europe, it's already there - nuclear weapons, which France has, and drone factories. You don't need to create a massive military industrial complex. The only scenario that doesn't support is Europe attacking Russia - which, from your nonsense about "crushing" Russia, seems to be what you want.
It's been no secret that the orange turd has wanted to pull the US out of NATO. It's also no secret that when he got back into the white house several European countries began to strengthen themselves and each other in the event that does happen.
NATO was a cold war alliance, so it's been on shaky ground since 1993. And the fact that it dances to US interests, and the US is plain that their interests might override European ones, is just becoming more obvious because Trump is too stupid to lie well.
People forget now, but original support for Ukraine against Russia started under Obama (Euromaiden had lots of US support), and the wide open support under Biden.
Trump I, while more hesitant, also supported Ukraine, and has often been foolish enough to remove restrictions the Democrats had on them. Remember his first impeachment was due to putting conditions on the military aid he was sending to Ukraine (pre-invasion).
I'm having trouble deciding if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
It would have been better for Ukraine to use them against Russia.
On the other hand, now it's less likely trump will start another war.
Now it's less likely Trump will start another war
I am not convinced.
Well, i did say LESS likely, not UNLIKELY.
He's really good at doing stupid things that other people pay the price for. And the midterms are about 3 months away. So it's almost time for another distraction.
The october surprise should be fun. And by "fun" I mean "what the fuck is it now?"
Cue Micro Rube-io clamoring for the dismantling of the ICC and ratcheting up his "international left-wing antifa terrorist" rhetoric to not only go after anyone left of MAGA, but also cancel the midterms by declaring a state of emergency due to "terrorism".
He recently said Greenland will defiantly be under US control before he leaves office
The ground missiles are near out but bombs and icbms and air to ground munitions are still in stock. They could decide to b52 carpet bomb too.
B52s and carpet bombing? Not with the Chinese MANPADS making their way to the battlefield. There is a reason B52's aren't being used in Iran. They are already dropping reaper drones like swatting flies. And ICBMS are super expensive, and it's hard to tell if you are starting a nuclear war of just attacking Cuba.
https://abcnews.com/Politics/iran-shot-30-us-reaper-drones-us-official/story?id=134597622
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_system
I don't doubt it but it's the big orange idiot in charge. That does randomize it a bit. I mean what's kept him from making stupid decisions so far?
We still need him to completely decimate the world's oil production. Can't give up now.
100% a good thing. Ukraine having them would be best, but failing that at least they're out of the hands of the US war machine.
i love broadcasting opsec to the world through social media.
really makes me feel like we have this shit under control, ya know?

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