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[–] 77 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I quit my first real job on 9/11. I watched the buildings go down, walked into the deli I hated working at and said, "life is too short." Which for an 18 year old me was a pretty big move.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I had a job in Colorado at a small 20-30 person company, including two devout muslim immigrant men from Afghanistan. OMG, they were freaking the fuck out, thinking people were going to come drag them out of the office and murder them in the parking lot. Everybody had their back and tried to calm them down, but boy, they were so stressed out.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Americans went nuts after 9/11. It was weird how all of a sudden, it was ok to be openly racist. Up to then, I knew older people were racist, but were being shamed into keeping quiet and it was fading from younger generations, but 9/11 set all that back. They were right to be scared.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Had a French teacher in high school who was from Morocco, and Muslim. He had some pretty harrowing stories from the years following 9/11. Said the harassment started immediately that day, before he had even seen the news.

    The most extreme of them involved him and his family being targeted at home with a drive-by shooting. Said some of the rounds missed his daughter by inches right where she was sleeping.

    There were several different attacks, and attempted attacks, which varied in the level of violence, but all were random acts of opportunity during otherwise hum-drum quotidien activities, like grocery shopping and pumping gas. Literal IRL terrorism, but the perpetrators were always white so.. y'know.

    He recounted the feeling of being hunted as urban prey by bat-guano crazy rednecks...chilling.

    That vibe quieted down by the 2010s, but now it's come roaring back. MAGA is like three 9/11s in a trench coat.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, if they were in Texas they probably have a reason to worry

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure why you were downvoted. Looks like some people forgot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arab_racism

    "In the United States, anti-Arab racism surged after the September 11 attacks, resulting in widespread racial profiling and hate crimes against Arab Americans."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arab_racism#United_States

    "According to the FBI and Arab groups, the number of attacks against Arabs and Muslims, as well as others mistaken for them, rose considerably after the 9/11 attacks. Hate crimes against people of Middle Eastern origin or descent increased from 354 attacks in 2000, to 1,501 attacks in 2001. Among the victims of the backlash was a Middle Eastern man in Houston, Texas who was shot and wounded after an assailant accused him of "blowing up the country", and four immigrants shot and killed by a man named Larme Price, who confessed to killing them as revenge for the September 11 attacks."

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  • [–] 126 points 3 months ago (37 children)

    He is either not a US American, or the "Never Forget" nation forgot to properly teach him.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago* (22 children)

    Or he just didn’t pay attention in class when it was taught. A lot of students treat history as irrelevant. It doesn’t help that a lot of public school history teachers are the equivalent of a dad watching World War 2 documentaries. Lots of them basically teach history so they can be a coach instead. Because public schools don’t hire independent coaches, and require all of them to teach something. So the coaches tend to fall into teaching history, because it’s easier than learning to teach calculus or chemistry.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    He doesn’t look that young. I can’t imagine somehow missing the post 9/11 fallout and the war in the Middle East. The 20 year anniversary of it wasn’t as extravagant as the 10 year. But as an American it was kinda hard to ignore.

    If he’s from outside the us and like just turned 18 maybe. But like how does one even miss all of the memes about it? I guess even those have died down too.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (8 children)

    i'd say anyone under 35 wasn't really aware for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah, this is definitely wrong. My younger brothers are significantly younger than 35 right now, and they still remember where they were when it happened.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    πŸ™„ Your math is bad. Read what they said closer

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone who is older than 25 existed when the towers fell, which is significantly younger than 35. Whether a kid much younger than 11 can remember where he was when it happened is another question, but the math is correct.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    he just didn’t pay attention in class when it was taught

    see: forgot to properly teach him.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'd say they made the attempt, but if he didn't listen that much, the problem is them passing him, not attempting to teach him.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    that is definitely a problem of the US education system. The "no child left behind" policy is absolute garbage.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago*

    History teachers in grade school seem to be either great or terrible. Nothing in between.

    I can see someone born around then or after not understanding the scope of the event. I can think of things that happened when I was born or just a kid where even knowing about it later it just seems like something in a book. You can't know what a world was like before an event if you weren't aware of it.

    How he escaped ever seeing more about it online is another thing, but then again I see lots of reaction videos, many that are probably legit, of people who never heard or saw things, even if they've heard references to it. It's yet another XKCD Ten Thousand moment.

    On a wide side note, I had an amazing Ancient History instructor in college. First day he told us not to bother getting the text for the class, we're not using it. He took us on an incredible ride.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Ooh can confirm: Our coach taught us that nazi germany was communist and north korea killed more people than any civilization in history.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    When I was in schools, American history was Pilgrims, the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, The Great Depression, and WWI. Then it was summer. We might have a school assembly in February to talk about MLK.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    If you were to ask my teachers, American history goes revolutionary war, then nothing happens for awhile, then the civil war, then nothing happens for awhile, then WW1 had to happen so that we could have ourselves a WORLD WAR TWO! The four years that make up 9/10ths of American history. And then the Japanese signed the surrender on the deck of the USS Missouri and then stuff I-the boomer history teacher-personally remember so it legally can't be history.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's so great that the US single handedly won the only war that ever happened in Asia. Good thing there hasn't been any major conflict on that side of the world since then.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's kinda clear how the curriculum was designed, after all according to this class Japan was only discovered in 1939. Russia pops in an out of existence, Korea and Vietnam are fictional and Africa is where Egypt is.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like it's a bit unfair to single out America as being the only country who heavily skews their own nations history, or just completely bullshits their impacts on other nations.....

    Britain aint exactly being very clear about what the East India Trading Company was doing. Or the British Raj for that matter.

    Japan still teaches WW2 history in the vaguest of terms without admitting any wrongdoing. Unit 731 is not apart of those lessons.

    Not saying any of this is justified, just that nearly every nation does it. Everyone's the hero of their own story.

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  • Well and going back to my original point, US history class at least for me ended at 1946, when the UN UN-nazi'd the world forever after having defeated Charlie Chaplain. And I think it's because much after that and the generations that were (and still fucking are god dammit) in control of curricula personally remember those events and thus refuse to label them as "history." Because my 70 year lifespan is basically now, so if kids these days don't remember the Tet Offensive that's they're own fault, god fuck 'em.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Did you finish school prior to 2001? Cuz, I mean, that's everything I learned in school too at that time.

    But my daughter is 13 now, and I can confirm that she has been formerly told about 9/11. I don't think with as much detail as she will learn in her during her high school tenure, but she at least knows about it.

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  • [–] 56 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Why, what happened on the 9th of November?

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  • [–] 68 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I only know Seven Eleven. Had no idea they had competitors.

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  • [–] 65 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    β€œWhy’s it called 9/11 if it happened in September though?”

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's named after their emergency number. Lots of people dialed 911 that day.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago (25 children)

    Should we double check, and make sure he knows what Pearl Harbor was? And Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? And the Holocaust?

    What? It's not unreasonable to say he may have missed some key moments in history.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    Bhopal disaster

    I only learned of this one from Behind the Bastards

    Edit to add

    On 3 December 1984, over 500,000 people in the vicinity of the Union Carbide India Limited pesticide plant in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh, India, were exposed to the highly toxic gas methyl isocyanate, in what is considered the world's worst industrial disaster.[3] A government affidavit in 2006 stated that the leak caused approximately 558,125 injuries, including 38,478 temporary partial injuries and 3,900 severely and permanently disabling injuries.[4] Estimates vary on the death toll, with the official number of immediate deaths being 2,259.[5] Others estimate that 8,000 died within two weeks of the incident occurring, and another 8,000 or more died from gas-related diseases.[6] In 1989, Union Carbide Corporation (UCC) of the United States paid $470 million (equivalent to $1.03 billion in 2024) to settle litigation stemming from the disaster.[7]

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Since I've come back from India I've sort of just been waiting to hear about an environmental disaster there. This makes sense.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    They burn plastic, Modi is killing/jailing climate change activists, and literally every single waterway I saw was choked with plastic. Every single animal I saw looked like it was on deaths door, aside from young animals - they didn't look much better.

    All in all, India is one of the most depressing places I've ever had the displeasure of visiting. Any change the west tries to make regarding the climate will be instantly wiped out by a country like India. I would call the whole country an environmental catastrophe if it weren't for places like Kerala, which if I'm not mistaken is also just fucked now.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Did meeting great people and eating delicious food at least mean it wasn’t all bad?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I have never had worse food poisoning, and the people were nice but I can't say that I actually 'met' anyone. I can say that I had a decent conversation with a Kashmiri man who really only wanted to sell me his stuff (got a magnetic chessboard and a scarf, the interaction was genuinely the highlight of the 10 days), and an uber driver who was very kind but struggled with English. Oh, none of them would address my girlfriend by the way - it was only me, the man. That alongside the animals made her particularly depressed.

    The people were the most depressing part, for me. I know that wealth inequality is bad here in the states, but seeing it somewhere like India is just... eye opening. It can get a whole hell of a lot worse here, if a place like India is any indication (no pun intended).

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    To be fair 9/11 is probably going to be forgotten about way sooner

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's not too relevant for a school history lesson because it didn't have too many consequences except for the Iraq war

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    The whole TSA security theater in airports came about because of 9/11. Air travel was much different before that, just walk through a simple metal detector and anyone can go all the way up to the gate to greet or send off your traveling friend/family.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    The first 3 are American, I could see a foreigner not knowing. My sister is a teacher in Europe and she says none of her students knew about the Holocaust. These are teenagers. I think maybe we might be fucked as a species.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki are in Japan?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It was an American attack, American history goes into much more detail about it than across the pond.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Did he go to a Waldorf school? I heard that's a thing. Like they just collectively tried to keep kids from knowing about it.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    What is that and what would even be the point of that

    Edit: looked it up.

    Many Waldorf schools have faced controversy due to Steiner's connections to racist ideology[7][8][9] and magical thinking.[discuss] Others have faced regulatory audits and closure due to concerns over substandard treatment of children with special educational needs.[10] Critics of Waldorf education point out the mystical nature of anthroposophy and the incorporation of Steiner's esoteric ideas into the curriculum.[11][12] Waldorf schools have also been linked to the outbreak of infectious diseases due to the vaccine hesitancy of many Waldorf parents.[13][14][15]

    Actual lol. Magical thinking.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Remember remember the 11th of September.... wait that doesn't sound right

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Disclaimer: am not American nor Western

    I remember this day. Was a wee lad. We were on vacation. The TV was on and apparently it was the news. I don't remember if it's breaking news but it might not be, since we're 12 ish hours different time zones, and I remember seeing it at day time.

    Well, back then I thought it was a movie...

    And the eerie part was that my dad had just gotten back home from a business trip there just a few days before.

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