Evangelical Christianity. They teach that once all the Jews are in Israel and Israel is destroyed in WWIII all ‘good Christians’ will rapture to Heaven.

Way, way too many people in high places unironically believe this shit. It’s why Biden was so supportive of Israel.

Yeah, its a really weird mashup of:

"too much of the mainstream rhetoric around liberation for Palestine and anti-zionism is coming from Nazis who just hate jews" (True!)
and
"so actually what we need to do is listen to the Zionist community and hear their perspectives"

Which uhhhh, one of those things is a very good point to be making. The other is bewildering, get the fuck out of here with that. "We should listen to people who subscribe to this particular brand of ethno-nationalism, who will hear their voices? We only listen to the domestic ethno-nationalists, what about the ethnic nationalists who represent people abroad??"

There is this political maneuver that is being embraced by DSA politicians that is preparing for the inevitable right wing anti Zionist candidate (like Tucker Carlson).

They seem to be attempting to move to the "we want to understand and listen to everyone". It's a fucking trap and will be absolutely destroyed by the "what's going on?" Propaganda from Tucker and Candice.

It's liberalism to the core and it will be seen as weak political pandering in a 2028 world in which Americans are blaming Israel entirely for the material decline.

The answer is NOT to talk to Zionist. The answer is to truly connect the Zionist interest to the interest of our ruling capitalist class. Fuck listening to Zionist. I'm sorry, you're not reaching out to the Jewish community.

The American Jewish community is disconnecting itself from Israel more and more each day. Especially among the younger generation. You LEAD this change. You don't follow it.

Disconnect Jewish identity from Zionism. Ignore the Jewish Zionist saying they "don't feel heard". Fuck them. They are Nazis the same as the Christian Zionist. Stop treating a Jewish Zionist as something special that you don't do for the larger population of Christian Zionist. Stop treating them with kiddie gloves.

Disconnect from Zionist. They are modern day Nazis.

Fight the right on the material concerns of the working class. Fight the Tuckers on their class interest. Don't make the 2028 election about the US being "controlled by Israel". We will lose that fight. We will lose because we are not addressing the full contradictions of capitalism. And the far right is significantly better at lying to avoid contradictions. We can't do that.

If we are going to win we HAVE to abandon this liberal idealism around "hearing people" that are our enemies. Fuck Zionist.

She literally used the rhetoric what make people gravitate to tucker.

The "horrible influences" you mention are very real. Just recently I finally got round to blocking lemmy.ml. I always kept them around because I do value breaking into other echo chambers a bit to see things from their point of view.

They recently had a video posted, hosted on X, with claims that Israel conspired with Morocco to release migrants into Ceuta. The X post itself was filled with antisemitism. And I meant full-blown antisemitism, like Jewish caricatures, Nazi-rhetoric, not the "antizionism = antisemitism" kind.

I commented that I felt a bit uneasy taking a completely context-less video, blaming what's happening on a "Jewish conspiracy" (that's how it was being phrased) and simultaneously fully going along with far-right talking points (that Europe is being "invaded" (despite 95%+ migrants already having returned because Ceuta is not in Shengen) and that "Jewish elites" are conspiring to replace Christians with Muslims (great replacement theory but even stupider I guess)). Not to mention the total lack of class solidarity with the migrants.

Comment was upvotes +16 last I checked, but then got removed and I got banned for "zionism" (despite very clearly expressing my disdain for Israel and its genocide in that same comment). Antizionism must be kept separate from antisemitic influences, or Israel will use it to dismiss critics and justify their genocide. That .ml has apparently failed to do this is not something I wish to tolerate.

That perfectly describes the Democrat Party in the last 4 decades.

Me too, but all the way down the chain. It shouldn't be legal for outsiders to funnel money into a state, city or town where they aren't personally eligible to vote. Leave other people's politics alone.

Yes...disliking someone based on their actions is legitimate, disliking someone because they are part of a specific ethnic/religious group is not.

It's valid. Kind of like..."I don't hate those ten guys who are very similar, I just hate that one guy from those ten who keep stabbing people in the neck".

There is no article, it was an interview

She just keeps beating around the bush ain't nobody got time for that

I listened to it before I posted it, and she's trying to dance around the subject, trying to filter her words so to not offend the Zionist trash she's pandering to while sounding neutral.

Enlighten us. What kind of context would make her ststement not disgusting

The video kept stopping but after a few retries I got through it. It would be helpful to have a transcript. Anyway, I wasn't impressed.

It's the people supporting the state. These are the same people that setup picnics hillside to watch bombings in Gaza. The same people that overwhelming support the forced relocation of Palestinians.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support-expulsion-palestinians-gaza-poll

I mean the US in general is losing support for the Israeli state, but it has little to do with the Israeli people in general. The Israeli and US governments keep trying to say that people being against the actions of the Israeli government is antisemitic and using that as an excuse to crack down on protests. It is not antisemitic because the Israeli government is not the equivalent to the entirety of the Jewish peoples, they're just another authoritarian government.