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[–] -1 points 3 months ago (20 children)

Did no one actually listen to the entire clip? Or, are y'all seriously just reacting to the quote in the headline?

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    I listened to it before I posted it, and she's trying to dance around the subject, trying to filter her words so to not offend the Zionist trash she's pandering to while sounding neutral.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I think you're hearing what you want to hear. It seemed pretty clear when I listened to her, that she's saying there's a missed opportunity right now to distinguish the left's perspective on this subject from the right's. At present the right is the only side talking about this, so they are the ones framing the narrative...and they are disingenuously taking the moral high ground, while those on the left are being framed as the anti-Semites.

    What's worse, is that online, the left keeps calling everyone "Zionists", without adding any nuance to their position...which really does make them sound like the ones that have an ignorant position on this subject. Think about it...what do you call someone who lumps everyone into a certain category, whether it fits or not, and labels them with a hostile pejorative?

    It kind of seems like you are proving her point about the left's messaging, and you're upset with her for calling you out on it.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    The message couldnt be any clearer, Zionists are trash and they will get no consideration

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    Lol! Except she's clearly not a Zionist. Saying that we should be engaging this issue from a leftist perspective isn't some endorsement of Zionism. It's the opposite.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    She specifically mentioned Zionism.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Mentioning Zionism isn't an endorsement of Zionism. She specifically talks about her "progressive vision" of how to address this conflict. When has it ever been a "progressive" position to endorse or support Zionism?

    In order to make what she's saying, mean what you think it means, you have to assume all the words she's using mean the opposite of what they usually mean. It makes no sense.

    Is she trying to use nuanced language, in order to avoid giving this right-wing interviewer some kind of sound-bite that can be used against her...and us? Yes. But she's also not saying anything close to what everyone here seems to be criticizing her for.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Enlighten us. What kind of context would make her ststement not disgusting

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    What exactly makes what she said disgusting to you? She's simply saying that the real anti-Semites are the ones framing the narrative around Israel right now, and making the left look bad in the process. If we don't step up our game, and start distinguishing ourselves from that narrative, we are going to lose this debate.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    She is preoccupied that a state acting like nazis are losing support. Fuck off with your bullshit. This opportunistic scum is giving a bad image to the left

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    No. She's preoccupied with the idea that we (the left) are failing to properly capitalize on the fact that a state acting like Nazis are losing support. This should be the perfect time for us to fill that void with something better...but instead, folks like Tucker Carlson and Laura Loomer are the ones stepping up to do that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    She literally said i am preoccupied that israel is losing global support with that bullshit she give more letigimacy to tucker who is a known whit supremacist. Stop making dumb excuses and fuck off

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Oh. Ok. So, you didn't actually listen to what she said past the first few sentences then. And you didn't even really listen to those, either. You just latched onto the first sentence and then ignored everything else.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    She said i'm preocupied that israel which is a genocidal state currently in process of exterminating palestinians is losing global support. The rest of what she said do not make her comment any less disgusting because the only way to stop genocide is to israel to really lose support of the western leaders.

    I mentionned tucker so your claim that i didn't listen to her full statement is false. By talking about how we should listen to the perspective of zionazis she is helping actually helping tucker

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