Yeah, its a really weird mashup of:

"too much of the mainstream rhetoric around liberation for Palestine and anti-zionism is coming from Nazis who just hate jews" (True!)
and
"so actually what we need to do is listen to the Zionist community and hear their perspectives"

Which uhhhh, one of those things is a very good point to be making. The other is bewildering, get the fuck out of here with that. "We should listen to people who subscribe to this particular brand of ethno-nationalism, who will hear their voices? We only listen to the domestic ethno-nationalists, what about the ethnic nationalists who represent people abroad??"

There is this political maneuver that is being embraced by DSA politicians that is preparing for the inevitable right wing anti Zionist candidate (like Tucker Carlson).

They seem to be attempting to move to the "we want to understand and listen to everyone". It's a fucking trap and will be absolutely destroyed by the "what's going on?" Propaganda from Tucker and Candice.

It's liberalism to the core and it will be seen as weak political pandering in a 2028 world in which Americans are blaming Israel entirely for the material decline.

The answer is NOT to talk to Zionist. The answer is to truly connect the Zionist interest to the interest of our ruling capitalist class. Fuck listening to Zionist. I'm sorry, you're not reaching out to the Jewish community.

The American Jewish community is disconnecting itself from Israel more and more each day. Especially among the younger generation. You LEAD this change. You don't follow it.

Disconnect Jewish identity from Zionism. Ignore the Jewish Zionist saying they "don't feel heard". Fuck them. They are Nazis the same as the Christian Zionist. Stop treating a Jewish Zionist as something special that you don't do for the larger population of Christian Zionist. Stop treating them with kiddie gloves.

Disconnect from Zionist. They are modern day Nazis.

Fight the right on the material concerns of the working class. Fight the Tuckers on their class interest. Don't make the 2028 election about the US being "controlled by Israel". We will lose that fight. We will lose because we are not addressing the full contradictions of capitalism. And the far right is significantly better at lying to avoid contradictions. We can't do that.

If we are going to win we HAVE to abandon this liberal idealism around "hearing people" that are our enemies. Fuck Zionist.

She literally used the rhetoric what make people gravitate to tucker.

The "horrible influences" you mention are very real. Just recently I finally got round to blocking lemmy.ml. I always kept them around because I do value breaking into other echo chambers a bit to see things from their point of view.

They recently had a video posted, hosted on X, with claims that Israel conspired with Morocco to release migrants into Ceuta. The X post itself was filled with antisemitism. And I meant full-blown antisemitism, like Jewish caricatures, Nazi-rhetoric, not the "antizionism = antisemitism" kind.

I commented that I felt a bit uneasy taking a completely context-less video, blaming what's happening on a "Jewish conspiracy" (that's how it was being phrased) and simultaneously fully going along with far-right talking points (that Europe is being "invaded" (despite 95%+ migrants already having returned because Ceuta is not in Shengen) and that "Jewish elites" are conspiring to replace Christians with Muslims (great replacement theory but even stupider I guess)). Not to mention the total lack of class solidarity with the migrants.

Comment was upvotes +16 last I checked, but then got removed and I got banned for "zionism" (despite very clearly expressing my disdain for Israel and its genocide in that same comment). Antizionism must be kept separate from antisemitic influences, or Israel will use it to dismiss critics and justify their genocide. That .ml has apparently failed to do this is not something I wish to tolerate.