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[–] 186 points 3 months ago (16 children)

Looks for my username. Sees my 8 open repositories in there. Sees my poorly coded Uni projects are also in there.

Oh lord my code is actively helping making AI worse.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    you joke but someone has actually traced to one of my commits a specific behavior that people on the internet have been complaining from LLMs recently.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    How did you hear about that? I can't imagine the odds, haha.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    A friend of a friend saw the blog post about it and recognized the project name.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Can you share the blog? This is so funny

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    For some reason the included only the repo for my github profile that has no code in it and not the other ones, my guess is that they avoided me because of the GPL license on all my code

    Spoileralso, some repositories were my first projects so they are way more shit than the avarage AI code and it would be funny if they poisoned themselves and i have some archived project that also have shit code but only on github because i switched to codeberg and rewrote them

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Oh lord my code is actively helping making AI worse.

    I checked out, it has some of my repositories. They crawled this stuff in 2025 and they probably won't update it. Whoever uses this dataset will have to deal with some super garbage, I tell ya.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Bad News: My old GitHub repos are there.

    Good News: I wrote that shit when I was 12. The code runs, but it's not good and not inventive.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    For me, they only have one of my repos, and I deleted all my repos months ago, so whether they actually have the code or just the title idk

    Good news: If anyone wants the one they got, I host it myself here instead. Fuck M$, AI thieves etc.

    I mean they can probably steal it from my site too but I've taken precautions, and the second biggest reason to migrate off corpo accounts entirely -- my site is a much smaller hacker target than Github.

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  • [–] 65 points 3 months ago* (27 children)

    Also, all this reminds me of drama in the Skyrim and Minecraft modding scenes, when devs publish stuff under Apache or MIT or whatever.

    Then the devs find out they don’t like what others are doing with their code. Drama ensues.


    …That’s kinda the deal with permissive licenses. Or posting publicly, like here on Lemmy. People will do things you don’t like with your code or content.

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  • [–] 64 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Eh, I don’t think it’s hypocritical to contribute to a commons and then get mad when someone comes along and tries to use the commons to undermine the commons.

    Like yes, the commons is there to be used… but not to kill the commons.

    https://www.citationneeded.news/free-and-open-access-in-the-age-of-generative-ai/

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    LLMs training on data don't prevent anyone from themselves learning on that data, so I don't see how the commons is going to be killed here.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    It heavily dampens the feedback loops which lead to new contributors joining. If more people feel encouraged to just let an LLM hack something for them then fewer things are learned by fewer people, less knowledge is developed and propagated, etc...

    And more of that which was shared is worse because there's no quality control in those sharing pipelines, and ironically more ego behind it when the sharer has done less (see: that person in the group project who did nothing useful and took all credit)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    The most important thing is to protect the people's right to use open source / weight AI models without licensing. Because the AI companies permanently monopolizing AI models and collecting rent forever on the commons, that would be a tragedy. It would forever shift the balance of power to use advanced technology.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Well truly profitable applications for LLMs are pretty limited so far, but they will come. Lets say you can replace a tax advisor / accountant with a specialized LLM agent (one that doesn't hallucinate tax code lol). Imagine oyu have an open source project that uses a coding AI agent to frequently update and retrain the tax LLM with the new regulations and laws and unit tests all this. So it's ultimately easy to use, you just talk to the tax AI agent. Or alternatively, because they managed to make open weight LLMs illegal because they are piracy because they use books and posts without permission to train and can't afford to pay the license fees. Now everybody has to use a commercial AI tax service. At the same price at what it cost previously to hire a real human.

    As AI models get better they replace human labor. This is a problem under capitalism, otherwise we could just all just be working less and chill. But it gets even worse if "we" (like the 99%) can't make use of open source models. Then the plutocrats get to own this newly replaced labor as free labor and collect rent.

    This is why I believe the IP argument of anti-AI is so dangerous. They can afford to pay license fees, we / open source can't. See patents, or see healthcare insurance purposefully making healthcare costs go up.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    There are permissive licenses, and then there are copyleft licenses. Permissive licenses go in the direction of "do whatever the fuck you want". Copyleft licenses are more like "use it for whatever the fuck you want but if you change it give it back to everyone else with the same conditions". The people who have projects with copyleft licenses are the ones who are (rightfully) pissed about their projects being used to train AI.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Huggingface isn’t violating copyleft licenses here, I don’t think. And research projects that use it, with citations and documentation, wouldn’t either.

    Now, if some business comes along and tries to make proprietary code derived from the dataset, that’s where things get hairy. But the people doing that are responsible for the potential violation, not Huggingface.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    On the other hand, totally did not see this particular shit coming. I wonder if we'll see a rash of "permissive, except LLMs can fuck right off" licenses.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Permissive licences should be the ones to fuck off entirely. GPL or death

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, libraries should remain permissive IMO. Applications can be restrictive if they want to. I just don't see any point in a copyleft library or framework.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    No unfree application should ideally be allowed ever again

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    World runs on them though. I don't mean business to consumer shit, all that can rot in hell. I mean business to business. There's shit out there that's incredibly niche, takes a ton of effort to develop, and there's no way it would ever be achieved without a huge financial incentive (because it's just so niche and it turns out paying tens or hundreds of people takes money). And someone's gotta pay the people writing all your open source code so most of them need day jobs anyway, which will be difficult to have without any commercial software existing. Sometimes the "all our code is GPL, but you can pay us to host it for you" model works, but a lot of the time it doesn't.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago

    Nah if you're a massive AI company and you scrape without contribution, you're a huge piece of shit.

    It's just stealing plain and simple like anything else.

    They're not a small user getting open source software, they're scraping what is already done to try and make you obsolete.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    "Look, I wrote this neat highly advanced machine vision thing to help people with accessibility needs communicate with loved ones! ❤️. MIT licensed I guess! Let's make the world better!"

    Raytheon, Northropp, Boeing, Microsoft, three-letter-agencies suddenly fork it as a base for their own "projects."

    😐

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Institutions with monopoly on violence or companies that they deal with don't care whether software is released as MIT or AGPL, they just take it and build on it. (Maybe that's exactly what you mean though, I'm not sure.)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Hehe yeah I guess that's what I meant. Just making a statement on how software has become I guess, and maybe a bit about how highly permissive licenses might have unintended consequences.

    The open source spirit is one of the shining jewels of the human race, but it really sucks that I don't think any of those "You aren't allowed to use my code to make the world a worse place" clauses would actually hold up. =\

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/02/geoffrey-hinton-godfather-of-ai-quits-google-warns-dangers-of-machine-learning

    https://medium.com/syncedreview/yolo-creator-says-he-stopped-cv-research-due-to-ethical-concerns-b55a291ebb29

    There's some stuff I also would like to work on adjacent to these things but the risk outweigh the good for as long as these psychotic people are in charge (and some things will just generally always be risky).

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    Woof. They really went for it on my GitHub

    Yes, there is code from 79 repositories in The Stack v3

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago*

    meanwhile I'm just here scraping GitHub repos for API keys and credentials 🤷‍♂️

    for legal reasons I must insist this is a joke, and in Minecraft.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    …and now, suddenly, github being overrun by vibecoded garbage isn’t so bad

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Genuinely surprised it's even opt-out.

    These companies train on Disney DVDs. Permission is not a factor. Training is transformative use, as much for counting letter frequency as for building a chatbot that can sort of code.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    no, officer, you misunderstand! I'm not pirating this movie, I'm just training my intelligence on it! it is transformative use, see, I can now write you this summary!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Quoting one sentence from a book is fair use even if you shoplifted that book.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I would say this is a gray area of law. It hasn't been tested yet. There are a few factors in determining "fair use". One of those factors is commercialization, which could nullify fair use. Another is the amount you're using.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Commercial parody is commonplace fair use. If it surpasses the original... oh well.

    The amount being used becomes negligible as the corpus grows. Filtering a billion webpages into one gigabyte means their average contribution is one byte. Play with the numbers all you like, it's gonna come out to less than a paragraph.

    If we went full copyright maximalist, and criminally banned using anything but public-domain / BSD / CC0 works, the commercial impact would not be much different. The technology itself shifts the economics of text, images, video, and code.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    I'm not much of a programmer, but why arern't more people just using GitLab instead of GitHub?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Still learning git but apparently there's some "power features", and, aside from that, it's the same BS network effect that keeps everyone on all the abusive platforms.

    Discoverability, it's where all the other people already stashed their code, sunk cost, etc...

    Siiiigh...

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Why go from corporate to corporate platform? Codeberg exists.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    We'd have an even bigger RAM shortage if so.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Git repos don't really take many resources to host, look at Forgejo, also, the RAM shortage is very much artificial, there is no lack of RAM, it's just that it's all being sold all to a few companies

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Time to leave malicious code for Claud in git hub projects.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Well… I’d rather the dataset be public and there, with an ostensible centralized opt-out, instead of every AI startup frantically rescraping the same things their predecessors did.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 months ago

    True, I understand why this is better than all those companies scraping it individually (for both ability to opt out and site load), but the way they handled opt out is still quite silly.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Second that. After all all my open repositories are all either licenced under GPL or MIT, so complaining would be a kind of hypocritical.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    GPL is dodgy to be included in training data for AIs that are then used to generate non-openaource code tbh. Even MIT loses the attribution it's supposed to have once laundered through AI...

    Speaking as someone that's been into FOSS for a long time, it does piss me off how quickly copyright got thrown under the bus the moment it became inconvenient for people with money.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    Yes, but what HuggingFace is doing here is the distribution of a data set. And so long the data set itself is open that doesn't conflict with GPL. HuggingFace is not responsible about how others use that data set.

    Whether LLMs themselves violate copyright for being trained on MIT or GPL code is an entirely different discussion.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Get off of Github if you think this is a problem 🤷 There are alternatives like Forgejo (Codeberg), Gitlab, and Radicle (decentralised).

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    "our project"

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    A number of my repos are listed.

    But the weird part is that it also lists a repo I don't recognize. The repo does actually exist on my github account, but it's marked as "ignored", and the description says it was automatically exported from Google Code. The code seems to be a MacOS shareware file encryption tool called "BitClamp", published circa 2008.

    No idea how it got on my account.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I’m just realizing that I’ve had my college transcripts on GitHub since I graduated years ago.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    They got some broken Linux configuration from me, some project with many securities fails in it and a big amount of virus codes I got from the time I was hypefocusing on worms...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I like "hypefocusing", even if it's a typo.

    It's a better decription of 9/10 of the time i would otherwise say i "hyperfocus".

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I am a feudal peasant who just jumped through time with a strange man in a blue box and I don't know what any of these terms mean. Please explain them to me as if I were an imbecile, please and thank you. No, I am not an LLM training to teach people we reconstitute in the future about the world today. I am just an ordinary shit farmer like the rest of the good people of my village.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    should I activate my trap card now or later?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I have 3 repos in it but I don't really care, it was all repos I had publically shared and open anyway

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    If someone wants to scrap the shitty ass code I have on GitHub, have at it. Talk about poisoning AI

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