Just say you gave the cop the right password but the dipshit fat fingered it and typed the wipe password, which was similar.
No way to prove otherwise.
Just say you gave the cop the right password but the dipshit fat fingered it and typed the wipe password, which was similar.
No way to prove otherwise.
Exactly what a duress code is for, watch this charge shrivel like a dick in the cold when they try to identify exactly what “evidence” was deleted.
“You’re guilty because you were hiding something.”
Says people hiding their face and name.
So based on the emails, he was always going to be detained as guilty of something...
And using the duress code to hide his sensitive data from a clearly biased adversary just gave them an easy excuse to do what they were always going to do.
So based on the emails, he was always going to be detained as guilty of something...
Then they should have gotten a warrant.
Why go through all the hassle of getting a warrant when you can instead coerce the person you want to detain into doing something you can label as a criminal act and detain them for that.
So much less red-tape, and you get to stomp on someone's rights in the process. Sounds like an easy win to me /s
I don't know if this works from a legal perspective, but it certainly does from a logical perspective.
The border search exception exists so border agents can check for things that are illegal to import and prevent their importation. Erasing all the data on a storage device ensures there is nothing on it that is illegal to import, accomplishing the purported goal of the search.
From a legal perspective, everyone has constitutional rights against the authorities going on a fishing expedition and searching you.
It's not like it's an invasive plant or something physical that our borders would be the last line of defense. The only thing on a cell phone is data. I guarantee I can get data into the US in a myriad of ways. I can even put it on a cell phone in a way that border agents would have no chance of finding.
So, although I understand that legally, these cell phone searches have not been found unconstitutional today, I think they are obviously unconstitutional. They aren't protecting our borders against something that has no other way in. It's just an unreasonable search and if we're forced to give them the unlock code, it's a violation of our right not to self-incriminate.
I agree, though I'm not sure how many of the current supreme court justices would - not enough, I fear.
Yes, and my comment was about why the border search exception doesn't make sense for cell phones specifically and so it should be unconstitutional for them to search cell phones specifically.
Not to mention our entire system of laws is based on pedantry where a comma here or misplaced word there can change the entire meaning of laws. Just because courts have ruled "routine warrantless searches" are permissible doesn't give these agents carte blanche to do as they please. Courts have also ruled that body cavity searches at the border can't be performed without a warrant or probable cause as just one example proving my point. Most of the case law mentioned here is regarding traffic stops and vehicle inspections which are far from searching through your device full of personal information and private communications.
Regardless of shitty court ruling, it should be evident to most people that this violates our Constitutional rights despite the government giving themselves permission to violate said rights.
Is there any actual evidence that evidence was destroyed? Maybe there never was any evidence for The Phone / GrapheneOS to store. Who is to say?
Nice, can't wait till Tunick wins, and then brings the civil suit for defamation.
I know MY duress PIN, and I'll fucking use it if I feel I need to. These nazis can't fucking intimidate me.
I agree, well sort of. You have zero clue what a "Nazi" government is, but I'll tell you as bad as the US is, it isn't close to "Nazi" levels. But I will 100% use a duress code to wipe my phone and they can blow me.
I feel like I have some clue what the nazi playbook is and does. There are many parallels between Germany in 1938 and things happening here in 2026.
You say from your privileged bubble. People are being killed in the streets and thrown into camps and you don't see the parallels to 1930's Germany?
Shit like this is exactly why I take a burner phone on international trips. Fuck you, you aren't getting my shit.
None of my friends really seem to get it though and always question it.
This is a cut and dry case. They're accusing Tunick of wiping the phone to hide evidence. But by their own account, that did not happen.
The border patrol agent entered the duress code, he wiped the phone to hide evidence. When he clearly should have confiscated the phone and given it to the tech department to crack like any normal fascist police officer would do.
So, this CBP agent should be tried as a terrorist for hiding evidence. Remember, what matters are not his intentions, but his actions.
IIRC, they can only charge him with a felony if they can prove there was some sort of illegal data on his phone prior to the wipe. Otherwise they ain't got shit and I hope this guys lawyer wipes the floor with the idiotic justice dept lawyers.
A tip for those who are worried they may be in a similar situation. This is based upon training at previous jobs as well as helping journalist friends out:
Do not take a burner and do not take a blank device through a border checkpoint (what customs essentially is). You have VERY murky rights in those situations and there are plenty of legal carve outs (in many nations) to essentially throw you in a black site under suspicions. And someone having a factory reset device is right up there with "These students aren't interested in learning how to land a plane" for red flags.
If you have sensitive information on your devices? Remove that ahead of time. Look into methods where you can access it remotely (VPNing into a remote system being the easiest). You want to be able to wipe and recover your device when traveling...
Hell, even if you aren't concerned about protecting sources for a story or concealing your sexuality, it is a good "point" to reach. Because pickpockets exist and your phone could get stolen or even destroyed.
So problem solved. Wipe your phone while you are taxiing and recover it on the cab ride to your hotel! No, don't do that. Because if you get inspected you are raising ALL the alarm bells.
Instead, get into the habit of having a minimal state phone. It is one of the many reasons I discourage people from actually deleting those Facebook accounts (aside from it meaning you no longer have any "right" to images that are tagged as the numeric identity that just happens to be you...). Having a facebook account you haven't posted on in a decade but still keep to get notifications from the local parenting group is a perfectly normal thing. Having a dating app on the phone (assuming you don't have to conceal your sexuality) is a perfectly normal thing to do. Same with having a reddit or an instagram where you thirst after Benedict Cumberbatch's feet. And so forth.
Which is the reality. While this is straight bullshit... it also kinda isn't. If someone is traveling internationally with a fully wiped phone (bonus points for apparently deleting it while customs were trying to get into it...)... that is gonna put you on a watchlist and.. they probably aren't wrong to do so.
Think of your personal devices as being like your car. Some stuff you just toss on the floor of the back seat and cover with a blanket so it isn't super visible from the outside. Other stuff you just don't leave unattended in your car, period. And... if every time you borrow a car you get it fully detailed and change the upholstery... folk are gonna be wondering just how many bodies you have driven out to the desert in that.
Your point is only valid if you trust the government, and you have a right not to trust them. A government you dont trust can use anything on your phone to put some bullshit charge on you, there is no phone, even a minimal phone, that does not have something on there they could use to pin some shit on you. I think you have to plan rules around a possible untrustworthy/fascist government while you have a normal government. Like habeus corpus, right to be forgotten, information requests, etc.
The current american government seems completely batshit insane of the rails, which is why I am using my privilege to never have to go there, to never go there. Some folk must go there, and they need basic protections against fascist rulers. I think, your point boils down to fascism-light. ' You shouldn't have incriminating stuff on there '... the only way to do that is with a burner.
If you have sensitive information on your devices? Remove that ahead of time.
That is not a reliable solution. I cannot endorse this course of action at all. The bottom line is that it is nearly impossible to actually remove all sensitive data from a phone that was in active use. Also remember, deleting files is not the same as removing them from a computer, they're still there if you know how to look. And having some of that data in the cloud makes you more vulnerable, not less. It means there's a third party to get your data from and guess what, that party already has an existing relationship and agreement with law enforcement. And even if your data were safe in the cloud, just accessing it can leave that data sitting in caches on your device in locations you may not even be able to access (but law enforcement will).
Pretending that it's possible to make a device safe is dangerous. Just take a burner.
i find it funny when the people trying to give practical advice are downvoted just because the authorities shouldnt be able to do stuff like this.
im sure youre not saying border control should be allowed to search a phone without a warrant, youre telling peoole how to keep their info safe when you have a warrantless search take place.
Yeah... reddit is REAL stupid. And... I've increasingly come to realize that lemmy might actually be worse. People want to view the world as they want to and don't care about living in the one we are stuck in.
But, whatever. Maybe someone will see that and act accordingly. I am genuinely proud of, allegedly, having helped a fair few journalism group chats work out best practices.
... And, case in point, "you used too many words so it made me think you were acting smarter than me" is very much not information I would volunteer. And yet people do. Oy
I didn't downvote, but I found your writing style to be unnecessarily verbose. As in, the comment went on for paragraphs when the point could be made in a few sentences.
Like maybe: A completely wiped factory reset phone raises suspicions that there was something on there you wanted to hide. But a phone cleaned of sensitive data that still has all the normal benign apps and files would be less likely to get extra scrutiny.
All that extra explanation could seem/feel like you were underestimating people's intelligence.
So presumption of innocence is officially dead (along with rule of law generally).
Also dead:
Hey, I have no sympathy for people who do BSD to each other. That's just vile sexual abnormality! 🤢
You know full well what BSD I meant...
Not only that, I wouldn't know what it could mean otherwise 😅
I don't know what it means in either context tbh. #justsweetsummerchildthings
It's an operating system. macOS is based on it for example.
When did non-white people ever have those in america? Those are privileges afforded to those of a certain melanin composition, not all americans equally. People who thought they benefited from so-called 'universal' liberties are quickly finding out that it was never universal to begin with. "Rights" have never been "universal" guarantees for American people. Not once in the history of this nation have rights been 'universally' applied. They have been case-by-case applied, and often people of a certain melanin composition benefited from the 'universal right' while others don't have the 'universal' aspect of those rights applied to them. This is not a coincidence and it is beneficial to no one to think it's just a coincidence—well at least it's not beneficial to anyone worth benefiting.
"All men are created equal"... except those ones over there
It's okay, we're still afraid to fuck off and die. They just don't say that part out loud because the dead can't pay taxes.
Didn't some in the FBI and some members of congress wipe their phones and destroy burner phones? Didn't seem to be any problem there.
What's different here is that the officer wiped the device owned by the activist
It's going to be interesting if they go to prison, and how much compensation will be paid to the victim
I'm really interested in how this is gonna go.
I'm also excited, personally. It's the best case to establish a good precedent... Especially since the officer wiped it.
I expect the victim will counter sue for damages, and this will be a huge win
I’ll say this: a possible destruction of evidence charge is the bulwark against whatever evidence might have been destroyed, the possession of which could have been a much more egregious charge. Not saying they actually possessed any criminal evidence, but the legal theory behind the concept plays this out. If, perhaps, they possessed some dangerous or damaging documents, a “destruction of evidence“ charge would be nothing compared to some potentially much more terrible charges they could possibly suffer from the discovery of, say, whatever else you could possibly imagine. Although there is no evidence this person possessed anything of the sort, let alone anything illegal at all.
And while this is a total bullshit charge that this person only could’ve gotten “outside of the protections of the constitution” that only theoretically exists before this person “crossed the border”, as a US citizen, this is still only legal theory that hasn’t quite been tested yet.
As others have mentioned, this is precisely what this feature is for. Other technology companies have similar protections, although they institute it slightly differently.
Apple, for example, has instituted in accessibility protections on its devices in a slightly different manner. For example, if you think that your device might be accessed without your permission, you can enable lockdown mode by clicking the power button five times to enable several additional layers of encryption. It also turns off every possible wired and wireless port of access to your device. It also lowers the tolerance for incorrect passwords from 5 to 3, and after three incorrect password entries, instead of locking down the device for several hours, it immediately initiate a device wipe that cannot be interrupted by a power down.
This mitigates the need for a “dress password“ and this may have a legal difference, since providing the correct password won’t be necessary and shift the liability to the authority entering a “guessed“ password. so either that authority can continue incorrectly, guessing your password or can simply shut the device off and leave it in some archive somewhere to never be accessed.
These are subtle differentiations, and different approaches, and these tech companies are attempting these different approaches with successes and failures in an attempt to help their customers maintain privacy. And, until tested, we can only guess at their successes and failures.
This is one of those times.
"I can tell you my password is most definitely NOT 6666"
*Agent types it in
"Oh no! Look what you've done!"
lockdown mode has to be enabled in the settings. it requires a pin & a device reset.
pressing the power button 5 times can either call 911, if you have that set up, or it resets face id & prompts you for your pin, again.
although true, so do such levels of security on most devices/OSs.
if you want this level of security on any device, it isn't by default-- even with GrapheneOS, you have to go to the trouble of actually installing it-- or go to the trouble of finding a device that actually comes pre-installed with it, which your local mobile provider does not sell
the point being that, for more than bog-standard security, some level of effort by the user will, yes, be required.
In situations like this, I don't like that most phones tell you how many attempts are left. If they really want what's on your phone, they're going to stop before they run out of attempts and use some tool to break the encryption.
I think that the OS shouldn't just restart and wipe everthing tbh, it's too obvious, it should get in a 2nd profile, wipe the other silently and when the wipe it's done display something like "update downloaded, the phone is about to restart" then actually restart the phone and do a bunch of other stuff while it "updates" or soft-break the OS after "the updated failed" or sum
Tunick provided this code to an agent, who entered it on the phone, after which “the screen went blank, flashed several times and the phone appeared to restart.” All data on the phone was gone, but authorities confiscated it anyway.
They should be required to prove that such an OS was installed on the phone, that such a duress code was configured, and that it was the one provided, otherwise that was clearly a glitch in the phone, a cosmic ray bit flip, or the agent fumbling ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can't be responsible when it left his custody, right?
Does the GrapheneOS data-wipe actually wipe ALL data including the OS (presumably bricking the phone), or does it just delete personal data (thus just boots back up and appears like any brand new phone awaiting setup)? If the latter, seems like they could still identify the OS fairly easily. At which point it just kinda follows that, yeah, the entered PIN was a duress code, which is a known feature of the OS. Of course, I’m no lawyer, so I’m not sure how hard the rest would be to prove after identifying the OS.
I was a bit talking out of my ass there. Also at this point not even being judicially right protects you I guess.
Duress PIN/Password GrapheneOS provides users with the ability to set a duress PIN/Password that will irreversibly wipe the device (along with any installed eSIMs) once entered anywhere where the device credentials are requested (on the lockscreen, along with any such prompt in the OS).
The wipe does not require a reboot and cannot be interrupted. It can be set up at Settings > Security & privacy > Device unlock > Duress Password in the owner profile. Duress PIN is solely used for PIN entry and duress password is solely used for password entry. Both a duress PIN and password are mandatory to enable the feature to account for different profiles that may have different unlock methods. Duress PIN will also wipe the device when entered as the two-factor fingerprint unlock PIN but not currently when entered as the SIM PIN.
Note that if the duress PIN/Password is the same as the actual unlock method, the actual unlock method always takes precedence, and therefore no wipe will occur.
Copy-pasted from GOS wiki
So far I haven't seen anyone comment on the argument that he clearly didn't destroy anything. He provided a code to other people who entered it and destroyed the system.
It's a technicality, but this happened in America and God are they big on technicalities
Isn't that the exact point of the feature? The police are getting upset that people used a feature of an OS for its intended purpose??
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