With only a generic “we’re rebuilding, please bear with us” message to go on, the internet responded as it always does - with confusion, anger, and conspiracy theories. One Reddit theory even suggested it was a deliberate rug pull designed to cripple the free site to push people towards paid products.

Over the past couple of years, website owners the world over have seen their web traffic change. What was initially only people browsing gave way to an ever-increasing number of bots. By 2024, automated traffic had surpassed human traffic, and just last month, Cloudflare announced that bots had reached 57.5% of web page requests.

Bruce says that only 10% of their traffic is from humans browsing the site, with the rest coming from AI bots and automated traffic.

Some of these used the site using legitimate URLs, others were looking for back doors, most likely so they could get to the data before it appeared on the site, or to manipulate the data presented to users.

In case you haven’t guessed it yet, it’s linked to prediction markets. Polymarket runs weekly markets on opening weekends, and names The Numbers as the ultimate source of truth: The ‘Daily Box Office Performance’ figures found on the ‘Box Office’ tab on this movie’s The Numbers page will be used to resolve this market once the values for the 3-day opening weekend are final.

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[–] 1 point 3 months ago

Man this sucks. Feels like we've lost the internet to the capitalists. I find myself at least once a day reacting to something with a "man the internet used to be actually good"

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  • 16 comments in c/technology@beehaw.org view that post
    [–] 42 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    In this case, we are a little behind schedule, but working to rapidly catch up.

    In the Cyberpunk TTRPG universe, the original internet (known as the Net) collapsed during a catastrophic event called the DataKrash, which occurred on June 3, 2022.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    And the new net will be ID-gated for everyone. Everything said and done will be tracked and known to state actors.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    hope for the best, prepare to go amish

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'll go cyber-amish, with a mesh networked mini Internet to my local peoples.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    honestly i've been slowly working towards that kinda lifestyle for a few years now and i kinda hope the "internet" fucking dies so i'm free to go all the way, it just seems like what things should be like if our recent development wasn't so directed by corporate interests or just happened more slowly.

    Old-timey life was really quite a lot better in many ways, like we're just not evolved to constantly read about every single horrible event that happens to any human, and we need to be a little bit bored sometimes.
    But also smartphones are fucking awesome and i like being able to call emergency services if i've fallen and i can't get up, which even the actual amish recognize.

    Also the aesthetics/vibes of judicious mixing of technological eras is fucking impeccable, i want the countryside to look like Hobbiton, small towns like 18th century sweden, cities to look like 1920's new york with everything VIOLENTLY art deco, and all of it connected with trams and trains that look like metal caterpillars and where 30-minute departure frequency is seen as bordering on not even having service.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Poor title, but pretty interesting article. The future of the internet is going to be wild.

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    I meant the Internet doesn't have a future, it's already half dead

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Oh.

    The Internet itself surely will continue, but yes the "free and open" version is already gone (how to test this: attempt to self-host a website now, like a Lemmy instance, and see how long until AI scrapers bring it to its knees).

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think so. I think it's going to fragment a la cyberpunk... It's beginning already through a mixture of government controls and profiteering. Large enough platforms will still exist everywhere, but I think we're going to end up with more regional networks

    I think youll still be able to route a package across the world, but the age where you could access the same Internet from everywhere is ending

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    eh, i don't think things'll have time to regress that far before the pendulum swings back, plus it's only getting easier to set up your own connections over long distances.

    What i can see disappearing are things like youtube and global multiplayer gaming, because that's just so incredibly data-heavy. But lightweight stuff like sane websites, forums, chats.. that's quite feasible on something like a globally interconnected mesh. At worst you'll have to wait a bit for things to load, but like.. we would probably benefit from that..

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    Yea, like the matrix, the Internet is now an intrinsically dangerous place where anyone is potentially some highly capable AI with potentially very malicious intent.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    Context:

    If you work in or around the film industry, there is a decent chance you have used the work of The Numbers this month, whether you realise it or not.

    Its hand-researched data is the highest quality, tracking box office grosses, budgets, home video and streaming across more than 78,000 films and 236,000 people. It gets north of eight million visitors a year, and is treated as THE definitive authority by journalists, academics, filmmakers, prediction markets, and even Guinness World Records.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    AI tools are some of the most powerful and destructive things humans have ever created. And they are being effectively tested by the public in real time in the real world. When the Manhattan Project was trying to work out the power of their atomic tech, they did not do so by sending everyone the specs each morning and seeing which houses blew up.

    Honestly, this. In their desperate attempt to break even, AI companies are throwing everything they can at the wall to see what sticks, without any due regard as to its effects on society at large...

    Which unfortunately have proven time and time again to be horribly corrosive towards human culture.

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  • 14 comments in c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    TL;DR

    AI scraped it to death on behalf of prediction markets. They couldn't handle the load.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    A year ago, Cloudflare launched pay-per-crawl, letting sites charge AI crawlers per page. Last week, it went further, announcing a pay-per-use model in which publishers get paid when their content actually appears in an AI answer, and declaring that, from 15 September, its customers’ ad-supported pages will block unpaid “mixed-use” crawlers by default.

    I'd be OK paying a subscription fee to access websites.

    Two BIG problems though:

    a) my anonymity b) conglomeration of websites into increasingly enshittified monopolies.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Correct, but if humans get in free and bots don't, bots will pretend to be human. The only way it works ultimately is if every access is charged.

    A year ago, Cloudflare launched pay-per-crawl, letting sites charge AI crawlers per page. Last week, it went further, announcing a pay-per-use model in which publishers get paid when their content actually appears in an AI answer, and declaring that, from 15 September, its customers’ ad-supported pages will block unpaid “mixed-use” crawlers by default.

    Whether any of this works depends on whether the AI companies play along rather than route around it. But as Bruce put it to me, somebody has to try.

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    [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    How come none of these sites being hit by AI to the point they can't function implement rate limiting?

    Rate limiting grouped by IP or UA tends to work pretty well, and normal users have very slow request rates so generally never get impacted.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Residential proxies are a thing.

    Also speaking from experience, especially asia based crawlers will send 5 requests at once from one IP, then 5 from the next etc. and the first IP wont appear again for several hours, making ip based rate limiting useless.

    In my case i have honeypot links that block them, i block several data center adress ranges, have an automated whitelist for registered users, use some public blocklists and user agent filtering and that takes care of 99% of it. But it is non-trivial compared to rate limiting.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    True, I also run crowdsec which blocks excessive 404s and other unusual requests too, between that and rate limiting I don't seem to have any server overload issues for the most part.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    In the article they talk about getting hit by millions of different IPs. It's probably on a different level compared to what a random, non-targeted site has to deal with.

    A few years back when graphics cards were getting botted for resale, a friend of a friend was buying with bots using a (pricey) rotating list of hundreds of proxy addresses that would each make attempts at a very reasonable looking frequency. I'm picturing something like that, except with much more funding.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    I'm having a hard time blaming this entirely on Ai. We're talking about a 30 year old site that has probably never had a proper redesign (front and back end). Of course it's eventually going to be compromised.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Some of these used the site using legitimate URLs, others were looking for back doors, most likely so they could get to the data before it appeared on the site, or to manipulate the data presented to users.

    I'm sure they know what they're doing, making me very wrong, but bots probing for back doors is very common, and not at all anything to be concerned about. The attackers most likely don't even care about the data, all they want is another site to spread malware or to join their botnet.

    AI scrapers can be brutal though, and is very relevant.

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  • This doesn't say anything.

    Why did the server crash? Who knows!

    Did it crash because of ai scrapers? Maybe! It was definitely stressed by them.

    Was the server hacked? No idea!

    If it was hacked, was it an attempt to rig prediction markets? Sounds plausible!

    This nebulous theorizing really is worrying me! I'm worried for the critical thinking capacity of every commenter. Sure, ai bot traffic is a problem, the entire internet is dealing with it, but its tenuous link to TheNumbers.com mystery is merely clickbait journalism without any sourcing.

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  • 3 comments in c/hackernews@lemmy.bestiver.se view that post
    [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Despite the click-baitish title, this brings up a lot of good points.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    What continues to happen with headlines should worry us all

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    The situation is catastrophic but not serious

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  • 2 comments in c/LongformIndepth@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    Polymarket, ugh.

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