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[–] 48 points 3 months ago (3 children)

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

There's so much more we could do.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Is this a glitch in my app or how does this comment have a negative amount of downvotes?

    I mean, it is a good quote.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I don't know. Maybe it was an AI bot that got it's feelings hurt by Frank Herbert and the system noticed the downvote was caused by AI so it inverted it's vote.

    The AI Bot, meant to free humans from thinking, ended up being enslaved by The System.

    "As it is written!"

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    They should join the web browser rebel alliance since there is no alternative to Chrome.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Ladybird is slowly becoming useable the last time i looked, so there is some movement out there, but it's slow and the future of the open web browser and the open web itself is currently very uncertain.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Ladybird's main dev considers existance of anybody who isn't he-him to be a political stance.

    I am more interested in servo browser now.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Last year I was reading a bit about Mozilla, all that google money, their spendings, their CEO and got really really angry looking on how shit the Firefox is I use daily.

    The reason Firefox still exists is that Google can prove it's not a Chrome monopoly. Now this is just me forming conspiracy theories, but I do believe that Google would stop these payments the day Firefox would really out-innovate Chrome and get more market share.

    I do believe all that Google money is not keeping Firefox alive, it's keeping it dead.

    At that moment I rage-donated money to Servo. Monthly. Didn't regret it, yet. Found their transparency records what they use it for. Up to now they use their money very responsibly.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    The reason Firefox still exists is that Google can prove it's not a Chrome monopoly. Now this is just me forming conspiracy theories, but I do believe that Google would stop these payments the day Firefox would really out-innovate Chrome and get more market share.

    I don't know about that. One of the big reasons chrome even got off the ground when it started was that it had the reach and backing of Google. If you opened Google, you had a "Get Chrome". If you did a search on Google, you had a "Get Chrome". You had advertisements, etc. It being faster to start with was nice, but even then, the other browsers at the time caught up pretty quickly.

    Without that help, Firefox might just get left in the dust. We've already been at the point where websites are mainly designed for Chromium browsers, and that you're encouraged to fire it up if something doesn't work for you, and you're using Firefox, Safari, Konqueror, etc, since the majority of users use some form of Chrome.

    Microsoft couldn't hack it when they tried developing their own browser, and they're both much larger than Mozilla, have the reach of Windows, and whatever was left over from IE. They ended up switching over to Blink/Chromium.

    I can't imagine Mozilla would fare any better, after losing a decent chunk of their funding. The fact that they've done decently so far is a minor miracle in and of itself.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Open source ai is doing well. Mozilla integrating the models directly into it's browser doesn't really do anything to help them.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I have to disagree. Easing access is the thing that is needed to ensure that Open Source AI isn't pushed to the fringes of society.

    Even Browser addons are a hurdle for the common user. You are speaking from the perspective of someone who knows how to do things.

    Making sure everyone regardless of technical aptitude can use OS AI is the only thing guaranteeing that closed source apps that simplify access don't take over everything.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    For example, I've already had a decent bit of resistance just trying to encourage friends, and family to use an ad-blocker.

    That's basically a recommended standard for using the internet these days, like pop-up blockers were. Government agencies use and generally recommend them.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    What does that look like?

    I don't encourage my friends anything -- maybe im not close like that.

    For my parents, i install firefox with ublock and say, ok, now use the web with no ads.

    Then when they use chrome for something (usually its superior form autofill abilities or website compatibility) they ask me why they have ads, or phishing attempts, and I tell them it is because they are on chrome, and to use firefox if they don't need chrome that instant.

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  • [–] 92 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    has Mozilla considered spending their limited resources working on their web browser

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Part of the report is also a contingency for when they need to find alternative income.

    They're hardly abandoning all Firefox development and dumping it into this.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    'Rebel Alliance' for Open Source: Good, I'm with you.

    AI: Nope.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago

    Sounds like the Mozilla CEO has joined the AI evangelism war on the side of the evangelists.

    “I don't want seven AGIs, one for every single one of the big companies. I want seven billion AGIs,” Krikorian says, referring to artificial general intelligence. “I want us to each have an AGI that's truly on our side, not on someone else's side.”

    No wonder he's doing Star Wars comparisons, because this is a fantasy thing that the world's billionaires can't figure out how to build.

    The report contains clues about how Mozilla might be planning to sustain itself if the revenue streams from Firefox dry up. “You shouldn't be surprised if in a few months you see that we've released our own harness,” Krikorian tells TIME.

    Because there aren't enough of those, and because Mozilla will definitely entice people to pay money to them because... Why?

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Open models are one of the few forces keeping AI from becoming an oligopoly: Without them, a handful of companies would control the technology, prices, and the rules of what users are allowed to do. Competition from open models is already pushing the entire industry to innovate faster and charge less. 💪😎✌️

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    If the open source ones are good enough why would anyone pay enough for AIMegacorp to make a profit?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Most companies have not yet been using AI efficiently, and often do so simply out of FOMO. What’s more, the fact that open-weight models have caught up with or even overtaken closed AIs is a recent development over the last six months.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    From my personal experience, most companies don't look at the benchmarks and simply buy "AI" from a company based on their perception of that company.

    All the Chinese models are scary and "dangerous", Grok too (but for slightly more legitimate reasons), Meta that's Facebook and everyone knows they're bad at privacy (even your boss), so they end up choosing Microsoft's AI, OpenAI, or Anthropic.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Mozilla wants to do everything except make Firefox succeed, it seems.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    What would actually make it succeed though? I have been using it for a long time, not like there are any issues.

    Just seems more of a culture for people just use Chrome. Is marketing the solution or what?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sometimes I feel like believing the conspiracy theory that the heads at mozilla are google flunkies, who only keep the browser around so google can't be called out for monopolistic behavior with Chrome. Firefox is the only alternative to V8, the Chrome web engine. Safari doesn't really count

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    What I remember from the movies is that the rebel alliance is being hunted to extinction unless they get lucky and one shot the bad guy.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    What a shame it would be if the trend continued towards powerful free and local models that can run on hardware people already own. Then all the poor companies trying to crash the economy and rent their models to everyone at exorbitant prices along with all the data centers being built might go bankrupt.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Thing being, even the cheap models don't offer good value for money. Once the big players run out of money, the whole thing will collapse.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    You son of a bitch I'm in.

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    [–] 28 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Even open source AI used for needless purposes contributes to wasteful resource usage that harms the environment just as much.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Agreed. The energy use in training and running, its stochastic nature which causes hallucinations and wrong results, and the deeply harmful long-term psychological effects on users who abdicate their own reasoning to LLMs, is ultimately more harmful than useful. Doesn't matter if the models are 'open weight', OSS, and totally 'free'.

    And, please, everyone, stop calling it 'AI'. It's not Intelligent. It's a probabilistic regurgitator. Maybe some (human-written!) reasoning systems on top of that, but it isn't intelligent or sentient.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    Who decides what is needless?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Ideally, the end user by not partaking in shitty AI products, but I don't have much faith in the average consumer's aversion to slop.

    AI is being injected into everything without any consideration for its necessity, privacy implications, or environmental impact.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    On top of that, there aren't many AI based consumer-faced products that have really proven successful yet. It's not only about necessity.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    What is your measure of success? Profit?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    What I meant was useful products that people actually like to use. So far I mostly see chat interfaces, agentic stuff that only works when controlled tightly by a human, and a lot of slop generators. Most of it is using AI because of it being AI. There is no real killer product built on top of AI, it's all just imitations of existing things. Reinvention of existing things, but worse.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    What would be an example of a killer product?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Depends on the market, but a few things come to mind... music streaming, movie streaming, smartphones, social media, electric cars, SaaS as a concept, LED lights... They all have one thing in common: They serve a specific need or specific improvement of existing technology. AI on the other hand is marketed as the "improves everything" machine, but what it really does is creating a shallow copy of existing technologies and ideas. In most cases by doing a worse job than the original. It aims to mimick existing things. That in itself is not a killer app. It's just a faster, cheaper, sloppier way of doing things we are doing already.

    Btw, I'm not talking about Machine Learning applications here, they are a different animal. What most people think of when talking about "AI" is just LLMs

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    at this rate Mozilla will be AI-only browser eventually, feeding all the data to GOOGLE.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    according to Raffi Krikorian, Mozilla’s chief technology officer, “I want us to each have an AGI that's truly on our side, not on someone else's side.”

    Therein lies the my issue with all these companies forcing AI into every crevice of our lives, They want.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    My issue is that this dumbass is talking about AGI like it's an actual thing. It's not going to happen with our current or near-future tech and clowns like Krikorian are either misinformed or gaslighting. Either way, this is not a serious person and should be treated as such.

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    Whats funny is I think there should be good local ai but its still something that needs development and work. It makes no sense to me to be in the browser. I see this again akin to graphics. I would like to see an os that has one that is strictly about the os. After installation maybe you could have additional modules to expand its scope or agents where it acts as a central interface. A kind of head butler.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Healthy open ecosystems need multiple contributors.

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