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[–] [S] 92 points 3 months ago (55 children)

They arrested this guy in LA when the plane landed and once again FUCK ICE.

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  • [–] 76 points 3 months ago

    Aye, and fuck their LVMP collaborators

    One video posted on social media showed a man yelling and crying on the ground in Terminal 3 at Harry Reid International Airport on Monday when a man and a masked woman, both in plainclothes, tried to control, handcuff and detain him. When the pair realized they were being filmed, they walked away, leaving the man with a handcuff attached to one arm.

    The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police found no outstanding warrants for the man, removed his handcuffs and notified ICE.

    .... ICE arrested him at his flight departing the Los Angeles International Airport on Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security said.

    [bolding added]

    We can fully expect that this poor dude is going to be singled out for especially abusive treatment when he gets to detention because these ICE twats made a scene by being fuckups here and they've all got fragile abuser egos, and the local cops served him up on a silver platter for it

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    So what I’m hearing is, concerned citizens should go to airports and keep a look out for groups of three people where two look like cops and one looks scared, then draw attention to them. If ICE lets them go and it’s a departing flight, inform other passengers and post to local news and social media platforms in the arrival city so people can accompany them to the gate and others can meet them there and escort them through baggage claims and to their destination (or, you know, advise them not to fly).

    Edit: given that this was a connecting flight, his fellow passengers could accompany him to his next gate and inform his future co-passengers, and that arrival city (if still in the US or a country likely to extradite to ICE), ad infinitum, if needed

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    ICE arrested him at his flight departing the Los Angeles International Airport on Tuesday

    Is there more news about an incoming connection?

    I read that as leaving US already, but realize now it was vague.

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  • [+] -46 points 3 months ago (51 children)
  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Enforcement of immigration is a CIVIL issue. It’s not a crime.

    ICE was formed after 9/11. We functioned perfectly fine without them.

    They are a fascist organization without accountability that for its entire history has attacked and kidnapped people without reason.

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  • [+] -12 points 3 months ago (6 children)
  • [+] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Tax fraud is a crime, overstaying your visa isn't. Please learn the difference between civil and criminal code.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Yea I want laws like “cops must identify themselves” enforced. And laws like “the president can’t rape children.” Let’s start there.

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  • [+] -25 points 3 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It’s deranged to think rape should have consequences?

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Yes I am. Are you familiar with the name Jefferey Epstein?

    Edit: also do you think cops don’t have to identify themselves when making arrests as well? Or is that just me being deranged?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Personally, I don't give a fuck. Borders just prove that the state will cause violence against the individual.

    However for the sake of argument and how the US should (and used to) do this:

    1. Identify yourself as border agents, and ask them to identify themselves. Normally you cant do that but its probable cause if you know who they are.
    2. identify the issue: you have over stayed your welcome
    3. provide the remedy: tell them they must demonstrate that they have a ticket or passage to any other country and release them to do so, or if they have a criminal charge or record, escort them to the terminal with a ticket they pay for, or the state provides a ticket and send them home.

    how hard is this?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    But he had no outstanding warrants.

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  • [+] -15 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    "Do you just not want laws enforced?" Says the person claiming a man is guilty before any trial and defending a warrantless arrest neither of which are legal.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    These are the types that will push government to send people to gitmo for littering and jaywalking without mercy or relent...

    ...then when draconian law inevitably turns on themselves they'll beg and plead for exceptional leniency and understanding.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Laws like human rights, right of due process, right to not be attacked by unidentified masked thugs, right to not be attacked with unjustified force …. It’s clear who is committing the more serious crimes here: the end does not justify the means

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This isn't due process. You're just making up your own definitions in order to support your ridiculous argument.

    I'm not surprised that a criminal like /u/GoatSynagogue, someone who is in the country illegally, would be advocating for such lawlessness by government officials. He needs to be captured and deported back to Antarctica immediately.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Due process means following the legal procedure. Due process means proving it. Due process means giving the accused a chance to object. This is what prevents mistakes, prevents abuse of authority, prevents it from degenerating into racism, prevents terrorizing innocents. Due process is what keeps us from being the criminal.

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  • [+] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    If you are caught driving without a license, the police officer takes down the evidence, maybe they arrest you, you are brought before a magistrate to see if evidence looks solid and you can decide whether to accept whatever the charge is or dispute it. If you dispute you are probably allowed free on bail or your own recognizance until you are called in to court. There the state describes the charge and produces their evidence and you have an opportunity to argue it.

    There is all sorts of due process, checks and balances against abuse of authority, and the state has to have a preponderance of evidence showing you were guilty.

    And of course the analogy falls over when you realize that overstaying your visa is a civil offense, not a crime.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Laws that are bullshit and that breaking them doesn't harm anyone? Yeah I don't want those enforced. You're right.

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  • [+] -24 points 3 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Well that's all bullshit and not how an economy works sooooo... Yeah.

    Oh they're not getting paid enough but someone wants their job. They also pay taxes. If it's harmful to the economy then they should not be paid below minimum wage in cash - that's not the person's fault that has the job, that's the fault of the employer.

    I'm all for dignified work and good wages. Acting like individuals just magically don't participate in a local economy because they're underpaid immigrants is silly.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    If they didn’t work for illegally low rates, the employer would have to pay a citizen the minimum wage.

    Well, I promise they'd work for at least minimum wage (which in and of itself is not enough) if the employer paid them that. You're acting like it's the victim's fault here when they're being taken advantage of by a corrupt system.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    That's such a tiny view of the world. These people have endured great hardship and are doing jobs that are back breaking but necessary (a lot of them are picking crops, raising livestock and more than raising that meat they're working in slaughterhouses too).

    Yet you think because they didn't jump through the absurd hoops and frankly absolutely broken immigration system we have that they don't deserve basic human dignity and rights?

    I promise you nobody is coming to "steal" a job, and really can jobs even be stolen? What does that mean, that someone qualified got a job somewhere and you think they don't deserve it for some reason you can't articulate? I suppose the reason you'd say is that they "didn't come here legally," even if their choice was between survival with illegal immigration to try to make a better life for their family or enduring violence and poverty. I suspect most of us would choose the former if it were an option and we were that desperate too.

    I should note here that I think nationalism and borders in general are kind of bullshit. So, to me, the very fucking made up out of thin air laws around it are kind of nonsense. Hence why I think the whole concept of "illegal" immigration is madness. That's just my opinion though. Nonetheless, even if that view may be on the more extreme end it should be very easy to agree with the fact that our immigration system and the laws around it are very very broken.

    Even then we are seeing folks here legally thrown into concentration camps. Some USA citizens suffered the same fate just for their skin color. People being deported to places they never have set foot in because they had the audacity to try to come to the USA for a better life.

    Plus that's putting aside the whole fact that white people showed up and committed a genocide against the natives to even bring the USA into existence in its current state. I don't think it's really morally right to complain about immigration when your whole country is founded on dudes showing up on boats from across the ocean and extreme violence.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I guess that justifies the physical violence against them? If someone breaks any law we should just fucking tackle them?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I would be more upset you're comparing someone here illegally with someone assaulting my mother. How the hell does your head work so that comparison makes sense to you?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Get the fuck out of here, fascist scum.

    You don't actually care about this, you just care about licking trumps boots clean.

    You know how everyone knows this? There is a very simple fix for all of this. Put it on the employers. Make it a crime to hire people without authorization to work here.

    But, this is never done because those people, the people taking advantage of undocumented immigrants, are also the same people supporting trump.

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  • [–] 170 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    One video posted on social media showed a man yelling and crying on the ground in Terminal 3 at Harry Reid International Airport on Monday when a man and a masked woman, both in plainclothes, tried to control, handcuff and detain him. When the pair realized they were being filmed, they walked away, leaving the man with a handcuff attached to one arm.

    The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police found no outstanding warrants for the man, removed his handcuffs and notified ICE.

    They know what they’re doing is illegal, and accountability terrifies them.

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  • [–] 99 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Is there some reason to assume these were even actual ICE agents? That pair should have been detained/arrested pending a determination of their identities and evidence that they have the legal authority to assault and detain anyone. This could very well have been an attempted kidnapping disguised as an ICE attack. If the fucking cops don't detain them, we'll never actually know.

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  • [–] 73 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    The only indication that they are ICE agents is the evident fact that they are completely untrained, incompetent, and totally unsuited to any kind of law enforcement employment.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    The article says this happened in one of the terminals, meaning past the TSA checkpoints. No way imposters would have made it through TSA screening with badges, handcuffs, and likely other unnecessary tactical gear. TSA had to explicitly let them through.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Disgusting. Any reasonable person being attacked like this would fight back, and then they'd shoot them. The U.S. is done. No sane person should come here, and I need to get my shit together and get the hell out.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This. I cannot imagine what’s going on in the heads of people still visiting that cesspool. I’m a white dude with no record and could theoretically visit. I’d live in California, even. The problem is these damned morals and ethics that stop me from bringing myself and my money to a place that doesn’t value or respect humanity at all anymore. Not above profits and racism, anyway.

    Godspeed, Americans. If you ever decide to rise up, I’d join in. I think much of the world would.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    This. I cannot imagine what’s going on in the heads of people still visiting that cesspool.

    People are well aware, they just choose to think "not them", like a drunk driver.

    Many, many 1000s of Australians dickheads visited for the world cup for example

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Uhm, they were trying to arrest him at the international terminal? International terminals are Sterile Zones, where departing passengers have formally exited the country. That's pretty much like ICE arresting someone while they're physically in Mexico.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's hard to tell, the article is poorly written. There's something about an Australian guy getting arrested at LAX, not sure if that's related to what happened in LV or not.

    At any rate, it's kinda stupid to arrest someone at an airport even before they've gone through security. They're likely leaving the country and will have to present themselves to a customs official anyway. Instead of wasting money on prosecuting someone that overstayed, it's better just to let them leave, maybe charge them a fine or whatever.

    It's just cruelty for the sake of cruelty.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Unless we all band together and start pushing back and defend ourselves we will all be on the ground cuffed or have a bullet hole in our heads.

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    I also want to point out how often these violent goons dress exactly like the sterotypical violent goons showcased in "get your CCW!" posters and targets; the ones responsible Americans are supposed to be training to protect themselves from getting jumped by.

    Weird, huh?

    Otherwise they dress like the school bully whose mom gave them $50 to spend at the airsoft store.

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  • [–] 62 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Maybe citizens should start physically intervening when non-uniformed people are trying to cuff random folks.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Many people have intervened many times. Minneapolis and Charlotte come to mind as city whose entire MO for weeks was intervening.

    In many situations it seems like enough to film them and they back off, like here. For Joan Sebastian, shot and killed by ICE last Monday in Maine, he was driving and there weren't many people around to intervene at 7am. Bystanders did film part of the incident after Joan had already been shot, and it's part of the evidence against the crazy fuck that shot him. I don't know how anybody could have stepped in based on what I saw.

    I imagine myself witnessing situations like these so that I am ready.

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  • [+] -14 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    America, the spineless society, all talk with very little action from it’s people.

    I’m surprised someone hasn’t snapped yet and held an ICE agent hostage, I’m sure ICE agents would love their job even more when people start pulling guns on them more frequently and out of nowhere.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I guess not as many people are suicidal as you think.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    You coward.

    You sit behind your keyboard and type this bullshit out - just like Donald Trump when he sits on his toilet every night to post "truths" on his shitty social media platform.

    Come over here and make a difference if you're so goddamn brave.

    Most people who stand up to these people don't even make the fucking news. And the brave ones that do don't even get justice. Go Google Renee and Alex and educate yourself on our actual challenges you ignoranus.

    We're fighting, and you're ignoring us. You don't give a fuck. It's no skin off your back, eh? Just sit back and call us names. Just like the GOP. Donald Trump applauds your efforts here, he appreciates you and hopes this catches on.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Coward? You Americans got your 2nd amendment, sort your country out, it’s not the job of a foreigner to figure out how your country should operate.

    Every day your country floods the news market with absurd headlines.

    Most people who stand up to these people don't even make the fucking news. And the brave ones that do don't even get justice.

    You’re telling me Renée Good or Alex Pretti didn’t make the news? I remember outrage about their passings, what did your country do in response?

    Take some responsibility for your nations actions and be the change you want to see.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Your humility is truly inspiring. I can only imagine the amount of good you put out into the world (and that I could only hope to achieve). Especially with the eloquent way in which you speak; fuck... shivers and goosebumps

    How easy it is to forget about class, and instead just preach and judge. Cause ya know, division is the only way to peace

    Everyone appreciates you're anger btw, we definitely don't have enough of it

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago
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    "When the pair realized they were being filmed, they walked away, leaving the man with a handcuff attached to one arm.

    The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police found no outstanding warrants for the man, removed his handcuffs and notified ICE."

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    was he "escorted to the ground" too?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    after, not 'while'

    That will be our downfall.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Plain clothes, nothing that declares they are an agent, walks away when confronted... That's all suspicious as hell. It could just be a fucking mugging.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Looked like some random assholes beating on an old man. They should have arrested them.

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