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[+] -46 points 3 months ago (51 children)
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    Enforcement of immigration is a CIVIL issue. It’s not a crime.

    ICE was formed after 9/11. We functioned perfectly fine without them.

    They are a fascist organization without accountability that for its entire history has attacked and kidnapped people without reason.

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  • [+] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Tax fraud is a crime, overstaying your visa isn't. Please learn the difference between civil and criminal code.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Yea I want laws like “cops must identify themselves” enforced. And laws like “the president can’t rape children.” Let’s start there.

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  • [+] -25 points 3 months ago (6 children)
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    It’s deranged to think rape should have consequences?

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Yes I am. Are you familiar with the name Jefferey Epstein?

    Edit: also do you think cops don’t have to identify themselves when making arrests as well? Or is that just me being deranged?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Personally, I don't give a fuck. Borders just prove that the state will cause violence against the individual.

    However for the sake of argument and how the US should (and used to) do this:

    1. Identify yourself as border agents, and ask them to identify themselves. Normally you cant do that but its probable cause if you know who they are.
    2. identify the issue: you have over stayed your welcome
    3. provide the remedy: tell them they must demonstrate that they have a ticket or passage to any other country and release them to do so, or if they have a criminal charge or record, escort them to the terminal with a ticket they pay for, or the state provides a ticket and send them home.

    how hard is this?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    But he had no outstanding warrants.

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    "Do you just not want laws enforced?" Says the person claiming a man is guilty before any trial and defending a warrantless arrest neither of which are legal.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    These are the types that will push government to send people to gitmo for littering and jaywalking without mercy or relent...

    ...then when draconian law inevitably turns on themselves they'll beg and plead for exceptional leniency and understanding.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Laws like human rights, right of due process, right to not be attacked by unidentified masked thugs, right to not be attacked with unjustified force …. It’s clear who is committing the more serious crimes here: the end does not justify the means

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    This isn't due process. You're just making up your own definitions in order to support your ridiculous argument.

    I'm not surprised that a criminal like /u/GoatSynagogue, someone who is in the country illegally, would be advocating for such lawlessness by government officials. He needs to be captured and deported back to Antarctica immediately.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Due process means following the legal procedure. Due process means proving it. Due process means giving the accused a chance to object. This is what prevents mistakes, prevents abuse of authority, prevents it from degenerating into racism, prevents terrorizing innocents. Due process is what keeps us from being the criminal.

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  • [+] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)
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    If you are caught driving without a license, the police officer takes down the evidence, maybe they arrest you, you are brought before a magistrate to see if evidence looks solid and you can decide whether to accept whatever the charge is or dispute it. If you dispute you are probably allowed free on bail or your own recognizance until you are called in to court. There the state describes the charge and produces their evidence and you have an opportunity to argue it.

    There is all sorts of due process, checks and balances against abuse of authority, and the state has to have a preponderance of evidence showing you were guilty.

    And of course the analogy falls over when you realize that overstaying your visa is a civil offense, not a crime.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Laws that are bullshit and that breaking them doesn't harm anyone? Yeah I don't want those enforced. You're right.

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  • [+] -24 points 3 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Well that's all bullshit and not how an economy works sooooo... Yeah.

    Oh they're not getting paid enough but someone wants their job. They also pay taxes. If it's harmful to the economy then they should not be paid below minimum wage in cash - that's not the person's fault that has the job, that's the fault of the employer.

    I'm all for dignified work and good wages. Acting like individuals just magically don't participate in a local economy because they're underpaid immigrants is silly.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 months ago (9 children)
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    If they didn’t work for illegally low rates, the employer would have to pay a citizen the minimum wage.

    Well, I promise they'd work for at least minimum wage (which in and of itself is not enough) if the employer paid them that. You're acting like it's the victim's fault here when they're being taken advantage of by a corrupt system.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    That's such a tiny view of the world. These people have endured great hardship and are doing jobs that are back breaking but necessary (a lot of them are picking crops, raising livestock and more than raising that meat they're working in slaughterhouses too).

    Yet you think because they didn't jump through the absurd hoops and frankly absolutely broken immigration system we have that they don't deserve basic human dignity and rights?

    I promise you nobody is coming to "steal" a job, and really can jobs even be stolen? What does that mean, that someone qualified got a job somewhere and you think they don't deserve it for some reason you can't articulate? I suppose the reason you'd say is that they "didn't come here legally," even if their choice was between survival with illegal immigration to try to make a better life for their family or enduring violence and poverty. I suspect most of us would choose the former if it were an option and we were that desperate too.

    I should note here that I think nationalism and borders in general are kind of bullshit. So, to me, the very fucking made up out of thin air laws around it are kind of nonsense. Hence why I think the whole concept of "illegal" immigration is madness. That's just my opinion though. Nonetheless, even if that view may be on the more extreme end it should be very easy to agree with the fact that our immigration system and the laws around it are very very broken.

    Even then we are seeing folks here legally thrown into concentration camps. Some USA citizens suffered the same fate just for their skin color. People being deported to places they never have set foot in because they had the audacity to try to come to the USA for a better life.

    Plus that's putting aside the whole fact that white people showed up and committed a genocide against the natives to even bring the USA into existence in its current state. I don't think it's really morally right to complain about immigration when your whole country is founded on dudes showing up on boats from across the ocean and extreme violence.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I guess that justifies the physical violence against them? If someone breaks any law we should just fucking tackle them?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I would be more upset you're comparing someone here illegally with someone assaulting my mother. How the hell does your head work so that comparison makes sense to you?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Get the fuck out of here, fascist scum.

    You don't actually care about this, you just care about licking trumps boots clean.

    You know how everyone knows this? There is a very simple fix for all of this. Put it on the employers. Make it a crime to hire people without authorization to work here.

    But, this is never done because those people, the people taking advantage of undocumented immigrants, are also the same people supporting trump.

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