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[–] 71 points 3 months ago (3 children)

These types of displays were banned by FIFA, no? If so , shouldn't there be some kind of disciplinary action?

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    It would be interesting to see them actually succeeding with conquering those islands just to see them do this:

    Now they actually had to deal with their ruined socioeconomic problems instead of political rallying around a made up issue.

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  • [–] 114 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    I can't think of a nation with a bigger chip on their shoulder than Argentine. It's kind of weird.

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  • [–] 67 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's absolutely bizarre, they have no legitimate claim to the islands. It's like someone moving into your house when you are on holiday, and saying it's theirs.

    Plenty of countries have uninhabited islands as part of their territory, it doesn't mean they're up for grabs.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Had they not invaded there's a good chance they would be Argentinian by now, which is the funniest part of the whole fiasco.

    Gave Thatcher an easy election win, which is genuinely unforgivable.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago

    That's the fucking part that blows my mind. They were about to get it back for fucking free. But the Military Dictatorship had to Military it up and then not only got their asses handed to them, but also gave Thatcher and Reaganomics the boost of a lifetime.

    Every single time I see anything argentinian named "LAS MALVINAS ARGENTINAS XYZ" it feels so fucking pathetic. They put it on a (now worthless) 50 peso banknote.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    It was never really about ownership of the islands as such. The real prize is for Argentine politicians to be able to forment nationalism against an external enemy, to distract and enthuse the voters.

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  • [–] 158 points 3 months ago (17 children)

    Funny how Argentina never thinks to ask the people who actually live there.

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  • [–] 76 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    They might answer the wrong way you see...

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It’s hilarious how one sided that is. Kim Jong Un style numbers.

    And it makes complete sense. Falkland islands isn’t a colony. It was uninhabited before the british got there. It’s literally a freezing windy collection of hills in the middle of nowhere a few dozen british shepherds decided to populate and now rely on mainland UK for loads of stuff. So there’s no reason to say no.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It has nothing to do with the people. Politicians and oligarchs wave a flag, as they do in any other country, to stir up the masses, but the whole thing is about fishing rights.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    The fishing is bad there.

    Oil has been discovered in the territorial waters, but this was long after the war and is as yet unexploited.

    Basically, it’s a rallying point that successive corrupt and failing Argentine governments have deployed in an attempt to distract from domestic failings. That’s its value.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Asking the people that currently leave there is not always the correct course of action though.

    You want that land over there? Then you just have to kill/displace anyone currently living there, then fill it with your own citizens, then ask them. Easy land grab. Also a genocide.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Except in this case there was nobody living on the island, so the “natives” are all of European descent and overwhelmingly (like 90+%) want to stay part of the UK.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that happens when you kick out the existing argentinian/spanish settlement (I don't remember if it was before/after independence) and bring your own British settlers, as I explained before.

    Idk what European descent has to do with anything. Many Argentinians are of European descent.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You want that land over there? Then you just have to kill/displace anyone currently living there, then fill it with your own citizens, then ask them. Easy land grab. Also a genocide.

    That's virtually all of human history.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Source in case you're wondering if the photo is real: www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jul/15/malvinas-is-argentinian-world-cup-holders-celebrate-win-over-england-with-banner

    It's a shame it has come to this, especially that Scaloni - Argentina's coach - opposed the whole war undertones by saying that "it will be just a football match and nothing more" during a press conference.

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  • [–] 94 points 3 months ago (18 children)
  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Also this:

    Argentina invaded the island killed 3 Falklanders and then got their ass whooped. And to this day Argentines think they are the victims.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (6 children)

    The victims of this conflict are the casualties of a completely pointless war, on either side. Neither side fought for legitimate reasons and both used it to drum up nationalism.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    How is defending against an invasion not legitimate?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It's only legitimate out of context. The two countries were trying to negotiate a transfer before the war broke out. Argentina was ruled by a military Junta and used the invasion to bolster its internal politics. Thatcher did the same thing by using overwhelming force over a territory that Britain was trying to get rid of. An Argentine cruiser was sunk outside of the exclusion zone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_ARA_General_Belgrano

    Afterwards Britain fortified the island to feed its military industrial complex and drum up more support for its decaying empire. Everything about this war was totally pointless except from a domestic political standpoint.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    So what should have been the right move then when Argentina invaded the islands? Should Thatcher just have abandoned the people on the Falklands and let them fend for themselves?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Helpful, but is there more context here?

    Such as who are there people currently living there and therefore voting in this referendum?

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  • [–] 65 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The descendants of the only people to live on the islands since pre-history. Literally the only people whose opinions count, including the uk population and government. It doesn’t matter what the Argentinians or the British think really, same as Greenland - the people who live there want to be a part of the uk

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, I entirely agree on principle. But that's my question, who are these people? According to Wikipedia, there are no such people:

    Although Fuegians from Patagonia may have visited the Falkland Islands in prehistoric times, the islands were uninhabited when Europeans first explored them.

    So I suppose I have my answer overall. The people living there are broadly the descendents of the French, Spanich and English who settled there in the late 18th century. The French ceded the settlement to Spain a year after they started, so even just scratching the surface of the situation it looks like it's been a mess for 250 years.

    But in any case, the people living there, now, clearly want to remain a UK territory.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    The modern population of the island are the natives, kinda like how Icelands population is completely native to the island. Not to say people didn't fuck around on the island occasionally but there's basically no evidence of prehistoric settlement of the Falklands.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    People who has always live there?

    The Maldives has never had Spanish/Argentinian population.

    Argentina only claims it based on physical proximity, not on the will of its population.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Malvinas not Maldives (they're half a world apart), and there have been briefly Spanish/Argentinian populations on the islands between 1774 and 1820 but none since then. The majority of whom were one of a) a military garrison b) convicts c) guards of convicts. Very small numbers of non military settlers during that period

    So broadly yes, everyone who has been there since the early 1800s is aligned with the UK

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    But daddy Infantino said this is just about sports and not politics?!? /s

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