Were judged by are actions and what we did in life. Dieing does not make you a better person.

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[–] 66 points 4 months ago

I will speak ill of the dead, I will speak frankly about the life they lived and if they or their family or their supporters are ashamed of it then that speaks more of their values than me speaking about their misdeeds. I get not focusing on someone's failings but not remembering someone for their intentional actions is a disservice to their legacy and our future history.

If they're ashamed of his legacy then why didn't he or they try to right his wrongs?

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'll speak ill of anyone living or dead. Dumb concept

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah, it's not like Republicans said horrible things about the people Ice shot, or trans people, or the kids at Sandy Hook.

    ...it's not like Trump called the war dead losers.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm banned from r/politics. I mean politics.world I guess, sorry forgot where I was for a second.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    i blocked the instance since the account in the previous(now defunct instance) was banned for calling out zionist efforts undermining universities here. also DBZERO for some reason, i almost never interact with that instance by im crossbanned from it, and they gave a BS reason(i never was told what i did wrong)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Check out their mod logs, super sus bans involving anti Zionist left and right. Reads like a reddit mod log tbh. Petulant loser mods.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Who even came up with this 'don't speak ill of the dead' bullshit? If someone was an awful person, then they were an awful person and everybody should criticize them for it if they want to.

    What does them being dead change? The family will be sad? Well boo hoo, should have cut ties with the fucker when he was sentencing innocent children to death. Pretty sure their families are even sadder.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I think it works on a small scale when people who knew the asshole are still mourning, but breaks down when we're talking about public figures who affect policy.

    Also if they were demonstrably an enemy to human decency imo

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Many years ago my parents had a neighbor. He was a nice guy but annoying as all hell at times, so much so that my mom purposely avoided him at the pool. If she saw him she'd go out of her way to walk around to the side of the pool and be sure to not get in the water when he was in there. She spent months not being able to say 1 remotely decent thing about him.

    Then he died unexpectedly of a heart attack. And suddenly he was the nicest person she knew, always so friendly and loved chatting with him, etc etc. I straight up called her out on it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I think it's more of a "don't hold onto hatred" kinda thing. They're dead, so let it go for your own sake, as well as those grieving. It doesn't help anyone

    I don't think it applies to public figures though... At least not if their family isn't around. Hell, I think it's just fine to celebrate the world becoming a better place

    I don't let hatred build up in myself, but I sure as hell have felt hope when I see some monsters have gone

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    From my understanding, it's more of a tradition, or a rule of thumb, than a capital offense.

    Kind of a way of saying well: that's that.

    I don't think you're supposed to white wash assholes, just don't marinate in it now that it's less important.

    Of course, you don't denigrate yourself or others for the dead, but carrying their water would be real dumb too.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    pitiless and disrespectful people deserve neither pity nor respect

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago*

    Catholicism unironically teaches this, and you can even skip the charity part.

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    [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I have a collection of small bottles of rum each dedicated to celebrating the death of a terrible person, I have also drawn up a list of good restaurants to celebrate further a few days later.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I stick to talking about positive things they've done.

    For instance, Lindsey Graham died.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    He called for nuking Iran. Let er rip

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    If they were a bad person I will wholeheartedly speak whatever the fuck I want and whenever the fuck I want.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't think it applies to politicians. Nobody asks folks to spare Hitler of criticism because he's dead.

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    [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I wouldn't have a problem not speaking ill of dead conservatives if it weren't for the fact that conservatives think "41%" is the height of comedy

    Conservative politicians speak ill of masses of dead innocent civilians.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    That saying generally applies to people you know, not so much famous people.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Would it kill you to use spell check?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Alas spell check wouldn't fix the were or the are. When I see this I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume English is their second language. Still drives me insane though.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I'm a context before accuracy person. If I can understand what they're saying and their point, I'll let minor things go. I will go back and reedit my own mistakes though, over and over, because I can't stand myself doing it. But I'm here for the discussion, not the grammar and spelling grading.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is a rather natural conclusion once you realize all grammar rules are decided by some committee somewhere. They're not some law of nature. That being said, it also pains me greatly to find mistakes in my own text.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    “You shouldn’t speak ill of the dead” doesn’t say anything about morality, so the second person’s point is irrelevant and wouldn’t be considered a gotcha by the MAGA guy

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yeah I think the mods might be disabled, as not technically wrong, just functionally and morally stupid, regarding the death of renowned evil shit-person Sen.

    Sorry turns out scotus ruled senators can be animatronics

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