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[–] 80 points 4 months ago* (21 children)

The whole point of the phrase is: When the poor have nothing left to eat, they will eat the rich.

It wasnt coined as a threat. It's a warning. The poor are already starving, and there is a limit.

And the thing is that 'rich' is not an intrinsic property, it's not genetic. When you eat the rich, everything they were hoarding - that which gave them the title 'rich' - becomes accessible. It doesn't disappear from the system like an MMO inventory.

Only after the starving poor eat the rich, will there be a path to a possible future without starvation.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (19 children)

    When the rich are too rich there are ways, and when the poor are too poor there are ways.

    Last winter we sold two girls and endured, and this winter, if this one my woman bears is a girl, we will sell again. One slave I have kept—the first. The others it is better to sell than to kill, although there are those who prefer to kill them before they draw breath. This is one of the ways when the poor are too poor.

    When the rich are too rich there is a way, and if I am not mistaken, that way will come soon.

    ~ Pearl S. Buck, The Good Earth

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    People have been theorizing (or fantasizing, rather) about the supposed collapse of the system since 1850, thinking it was soon then.

    Guess it's soon enough for us to not see it in this lifetime either.

    Aka, worthless.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    It's collapsed a bunch of times.

    The sudden, often arbitrary, and devastating failures make up much of the case for why the system is bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (9 children)

    Is the system bad? Sure.

    Will a good system finally show up? Doubt.

    Those collapses you mentioned haven't lead to a worthwhile system, have they?

    Collapse is meaningless on its own.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Will a good system finally show up? Doubt.

    People try new things. Sometimes those things work.

    The problem isn't that ideas are floated and failed. It's that systems calcify around people in privileged positions.

    Those collapses you mentioned haven’t lead to a worthwhile system, have they?

    Economic models in 2026 are far more advanced and improved than ones from 1626

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (7 children)

    That tendency of systems is precisely why I'm skeptical of any real systemic change to occur.

    Advanced and improved are vague terms. 1) Are the systems today better for the common man? And if so, how? 2) If it takes 400 years, then it's largely irrelevant to anyone concerned with systemic change within their own lifetime.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    That tendency of systems is precisely why I’m skeptical of any real systemic change to occur.

    Systems endure until they don't. A system with a long history tends to have a more entrenched position and a wider base of supporters.

    Advanced and improved are vague terms

    If you want a full categorical break down of 400 years of economic plans and conglomerated practices, I might point you to your local university and advise you to pick up any number of lectures on the subject.

    But if you're just going to "Nuh-uh" everything since the Dutch East India Company incorporated...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Systems endure until they don't. A system with a long history tends to have a more entrenched position and a wider base of supporters.

    Or rather, until they give way to another system that exploits the masses for the elite. In reality, systemic change in the sense of mass exploitation ending has never occured in history. It was there through the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and even today in the 21st century.

    The form it takes changing is irrelevant since the exploitation of masses itself never stopped.

    It doesn't matter if the name it's given or how it happens changes.

    If you want a full categorical break down of 400 years of economic plans and conglomerated practices, I might point you to your local university and advise you to pick up any number of lectures on the subject.

    But if you're just going to "Nuh-uh" everything since the Dutch East India Company incorporated...

    What a roundabout non-answer.

    Asking you to specify how the systems have improved specifically w.r.t. the common man (which I don't believe they have) doesn't require university lectures if you had a concrete answer.

    I'm not "nuh-uh"-ing everything, I'm looking for reason for common beliefs people hold that, as far as I've seen so far, have been nothing but just vibes and values. In reality, those claims (eg: "systemic change is real and has happened!") have been historically inaccurate and anachronistic, if not simply straight-up false.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    In reality, systemic change in the sense of mass exploitation ending has never occured in history.

    That requires a very slanted and cynical view of history. "Don't trust anyone, they're all just trying to oppress you. You should be trying to oppress them instead." is the sort of toxic machismo that gets you Hegseth and Rubio butchering people the globe over while liberals shrug in apathy.

    The form it takes changing is irrelevant

    Sure, that's the propaganda you get from fascist media. Ultra-nationalism is rooted in the belief that we're in a perpetual race war and the only open question is whether your race is ascendent. Internationalism is fake. Egalitarian political movements are (((controlled))) from the shadows. Intersectionality is impossible. Only brutal totalitarian hierarchy has ever existed - can ever exist - so you might as well submit to the boot on your neck with the promise that you'll have the opportunity to stomp someone else's neck down the road.

    What a roundabout non-answer.

    You've pickled your brain on fascist ideology so badly that you've lost the ability to read anything you disagree with.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    That requires a very slanted and cynical view of history. "Don't trust anyone, they're all just trying to oppress you. You should be trying to oppress them instead." is the sort of toxic machismo that gets you Hegseth and Rubio butchering people the globe over while liberals shrug in apathy.

    This isn't an argument. If you think systemic change in the sense of mass exploitation ending has indeed occurred, give me examples.

    Sure, that's the propaganda you get from fascist media. Ultra-nationalism is rooted in the belief that we're in a perpetual race war and the only open question is whether your race is ascendent. Internationalism is fake. Egalitarian political movements are (((controlled))) from the shadows. Intersectionality is impossible. Only brutal totalitarian hierarchy has ever existed - can ever exist - so you might as well submit to the boot on your neck with the promise that you'll have the opportunity to stomp someone else's neck down the road.

    More of the same. Labelling it propaganda isn't an argument. Again, if systems have actually improved, demonstrate how. If you can't, all of this is just elaborate mumbo-jumbo.

    Ultranationalism would exist even without such a belief. I don't believe egalitarian political movements have done much, not that they're "controlled from the shadows"; the world is regressing. The US and EU are actively becoming more fascist. Authoritarian hierarchies are pretty much all that have existed in the histories of countries. The only places they didn't are in places like aboriginal tribes and primitive set ups such as those, unfortunately.

    If it has existed at the country level, then let me know. If it hasn't existed, then I'm not going to believe in an abstraction of "potential"— I believe in whats been empirically confirmed and only what has been empirically confirmed.

    You've pickled your brain on fascist ideology so badly that you've lost the ability to read anything you disagree with.

    Ad hominem.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This isn’t an argument.

    It is. You just don't like reading it.

    So you're plugging your ears and spitting out logical fallacies without understanding them in the slightest.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    You clearly didn't read anything I said.

    And no, actually, you were attacking me instead of my argument. Thus, ad hominem.

    I don't suddenly "miscomprehend" logical fallacies just because you claim so.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Ever since 1850? Geee, just two years after the Revolutions of 1848, I guess the peoples should never be appeased because they'll just want more and more!

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    I wasn't talking about the US 🤦

    It's stupid how people just assume it's america if you don't specify.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    What the fuck are you talking about? Spring of Nations didn't spread to the US in the slightest.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Then what are you talking about?

    As for me, I'm referring to Marx and communist critiques of capitalism that have spanned several European countries in its inception which were then expanded by 20th century and modern communists who repeatedly said that collapse was imminent and inevitable.

    That's been a consistent theme that hasn't changed since around 1850.

    People keep going "oh yeah, it's really gonna collapse this time! There's gonna be real good change soon!" Nope. Bs. Historically inaccurate.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Then what are you talking about?

    I'm running out of names for that advent, so here's the last one, I'm sorry but you're just too semantically demanding. So here goes - Springtime of the Peoples

    As for the rest. Are you seriously claiming that there were no uprisings or revolutions since 1850? Brother, I'm sure you can do some better research.

    Or are you looking for something more spectacular, the full-blown worldwide revolution, and anything smaller than that is just too futile for your taste.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Are you seriously claiming that there were no uprisings or revolutions since 1850?

    That's not my claim at all.

    My claim is that systemic change hasn't occured.

    It doesn't matter if "uprisings" or "revolutions" occur if they don't lead to systemic change. For example, the french revolution lead to a dictatorship. Which isn't a win.

    None of these "revolutions" have lead to any real systemic change. Key word: systemic. Not just measly concessions like "women can vote now" or "workers can get the weekend 'off' ".

    Or are you looking for something more spectacular, the full-blown worldwide revolution, and anything smaller than that is just too futile for your taste.

    It doesn't need to be global, no. But it must lead to lasting, relevant systemic change in favour of the common man, yes.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    If Elon dies, lots of his wealth will disappear as the stock price of his companies will drop. Not sure how much and if they will recover but, like it or not, he is a big part of the reason the stock market loves his companies.

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  • [–] 157 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The poor have no need of the rich, but the rich could not exist without the poor.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    and to the end the rich has propaganda to convince some of the poor ones that they are poor because of "other" people are making them poor and not the rich, add in other things like lgbtq+, wokeness, women, abortions.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Robert Wyatt:

    There is a kind of compromise
    You are master of
    Your endless gentle nudging
    Left us polarised
    It's hard to talk to enemies
    And we are enemies
    What we had in common
    Makes it even worse
    You're proud of being middle class
    Meaning upper class
    You say you're self sufficient
    But you don't dig your own coal
    
    I think that what you're frightened of
    More than anything
    Is knowing you need workers
    More than they need you
    
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  • [–] 66 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The problem with pissing on Thatchers grave is eventually you run out of piss.

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Idk how ultra-wealthy people like this shitass don't understand that being taxed is the best outcome they can hope for. The alternative is people will eventually get desperate enough that they'll drag the rich cunts out of their houses and beat them to death in the streets.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Which uh, already happened before and i wouldn't be surprised if it happened again in more modern times

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Oh they all know it happened before. The rich simply don't think it'll happen again.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    *to them

    It's the reason they're buying islands and building bunkers.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    And think we can't swim or take over a yacht.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They forget we build the boats and planes and bunkers in the first place..

    And the cement trucks, excavators, and battering rams. :)

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)
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    It's a lot rarer than reddit/lemmy pretends it is. Historically it was more common for the rich to pay poor people to kill other poor people when they got uppity. Slave and peasant results fail like 95% of the time.

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Billionaires are mentally ill hoarders, they will fight over every last penny, just like hoarders do when you clean up their filthy house. Except, they are much more insane than someone collecting newspapers, they will screw over thousands of people to make $100 and sleep like babies.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    They're starving right now

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    Billionaires are the parasites of humanity, they only take and give nothing back. These delusional narcissists think society would crumble without them, while it's them who are holding humanity back.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago

    Don’t eat shit, mulch the rich.

    Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Not the biggest fan of eat the rich.

    IMO purge the parasites is more accurate.

    Eat the rich makes it sound like they are intrinsically more valuable whereas, like parasites, all they do is take value at the expense of the host.

    It’s not even a fatal thing, their hoarding is a mental illness that must be addressed for the good of society.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The problem with purge the parasites is that chuds will assume you mean people on benefits and then agree with you.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    No that’s intentional. The problem with these slogans is that large populations have nuance.

    If you say eat the rich, those chuds would either think your talking about upper middle class people or just reject it cause they can imagine one good rich person.

    Conversely, when it comes to people on benefits, even thought the vast majority don’t abuse the system, the chud’s echo chamber is full of the rare examples that do.

    So the solution is to acknowledge that being a parasite can happen in all walks of life, even though all the negative effects come from the rich ones.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This pathetic pile of lies genuinely believes that Atlas Shrugged is realistic.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The most realistic part of Atlas Shrugged is how the Epstein Class can’t get anything done without the working class.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The most realistic part is how the working class aren't viewed as people. The Epstein class believes that they are the working class, because they don't need education, they have money, and money makes right, because if they weren't right and hardworking and ethical, they wouldn't have that money.

    They believe that they are the ones to propel society forward, and without them, the world would stagnate and revert to some kind of pre-barbarism stage.

    It is a putrid philosophy, and a sermon dressed up as fiction that's completely divorced from reality, written by an idiotic, spoiled, scared, little bourgeoisie girl who believed that she deserved better simply because she wanted it hard enough.

    The entire thing makes so much sense the moment you realise it's written by a terrified little child who up until then had everything handed to her on a silver platter her entire life. It resonating with the Paedophile class makes so much sense because they're all terrified little children who just want to be exceptional and admired by everyone.

    That's why Musk does the idiot stunts he does. It's why he's so desperate to be invited to the "cool kids" club all the time. It's why he fucking paid some idiots to powerlevel his Diablo account or whatever. It's why Amazon man had to go to space.

    They're all the same fucking pathetic little failures of society, desperate to be more than they'll ever be.

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    He's terrified of getting taxed.

    He should be terrified of being executed for crimes against the people.

    His priorities are skewed.

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    I support what Mamdani is doing, and I think in the long run it will work.

    Having said that, it's absurd to say that New York City has tested much of anything. Mamdani was elected just 7 months ago. Has there even been a tax season since he was elected? Moving can also easily take half a year. He balanced the budget on paper, but only by doing stuff like deferring payments to union pension funds. That's not sustainable. Maybe next year he'll be able to keep the budget balanced and make all the necessary pension payments.

    You can say that Mamdani is in the process of doing this, and so far it seems to be working. But, at a bare minimum you need to wait a full year to see if it's working, and realistically you probably won't know for 5 years or more.

    But, claiming it has been tested is like saying "You can absolutely survive on a berries-only diet. I'm proof. I started that diet this morning and I've never felt healthier!"

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    If Elon Musk disappeared tomorrow, chances are more people would have access to food.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's not just food, it's housing and electricity and power to improve the world.

    A trillion dollars is being held captive by one man and we're allowing it. What could a trillion dollars do for the planet, for each person on earth.

    Something must be done about the parasitic wealthy because they're causing real harm to people every day they stay rich.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Yeah the money is a fiction, but the access to control our resources and our labour is very real.

    Like there should be no amount of money that lets you immiserate the lives of millions for the benefit of the few. Or the one.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    If Elon was flayed in the streets and his family was deported to countries they don't know the language... It wouldn't solve anything. They are just cunts taking advantage of a situation. So yes, flay the fuck, but change the laws to make sure it isn't possible again

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    People all over the world will be celebrating! I also can't wait till that orange c**t drops dead - the parties will be awesome. And the tears of the maga shitheads over the death of their cult leader will be sweet.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They're starving now, dipshit.

    They're starving because the rich are hoarding all of the food.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    The rich aren't hoarding food, they can't eat that much.

    The rich are more destroying farmland for datacenters and such, preventing food from being made in the first place.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    The problem is that the wealthy have created an existential crisis for the rest of us

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Rich people do leave, but not as many as what is fearmongered to be.

    In the case of New York, it has the Wall Street, it's not like the rich will carry the entire institution with them. Moreover, even Warren Buffet said that during the 1960s and 1970s when the wealth tax was higher, rich people didn't leave.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Rich people do leave, but not as many as what is fearmongered to be.

    I think this is what we neglect. Texas is trying to build a new stock market capital in Dallas. Miami is trying to become an international city for libertarian tech bros. South Carolina is trying to become the new headquarters for Boeing.

    People are definitely trying to leave. But they suck and are failing at it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's the same story everywhere, people were worried shitless in Norway. Multiple claims of collected taxes going down, then they figured out more than half of the very rich that moved residence out of the country only did so on paper - I believe quite a few nonces got hit by a double tax

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not going to pretend that billionaires losing all their money will fix all our problems.

    But I quite like the idea of them no longer having it.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    It's not them losing their wealth, it's eliminating all of the rules set up to get them there in the first place. It's preventing them from laying people off. It's keeping them from developing more surveillance, more oppressive rules, no products that we don't own and do on. You can't lobby a congressman, if you've been eaten.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    When you aren't insanely rich you actually have to do things for yourself, so "we" will be just fine since we can handle doing things for ourselves

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know man we could feed the globe for ~100billion a year sooo just him alone would give us 10+ years to figure it out and honestly his greed being absent will probably heal a lot if things too. Dude doesn't pay taxes so what does he support besides Nazi's?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    They act like things can only get done if they're in charge of everything...

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    "There are nine meals between mankind and revolution."

    The filthy rich would push us to eight.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    He has a POINT! Because NOBODY AT ALL is Starving NOW and it's ALL because Rich People EXIST and GIVE us Jobs! Fire us while PAYING taxes to Support ALL the Public Goods them AND us Use! NOT paying Taxes!

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    why does his comment have 40,000 likes.

    The amount of simps for Elon dump is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Twitter is also a huge bot farm so I think it’s safe to say that at least half of those likes aren’t real.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I mean they're just some number in a database Elon owns. Would anyone be surprised if we find out he inflates his numbers?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    When he took over twitter, he was mad that others got more likes and shares than him. They changed something and puff, he was the most popular person to the point where they broke twitter. He was (is?) also in everyone’s feed - following him or not.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Elon has a pretty simplistic middle-school outlook. Nothing too deep there.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Someone else can run these companies Does Elmo strike you as a genius? More like a drug addict idiot.

    Other people do the work, including intellectual work.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I'm so glad Elmo payed attention in school and now shared with us the knowledge of how it were the rich that fed everyone the last 10.000 years /s.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The rich should starve. Or at least choke to death in the same way Mike the Headless Chicken died.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Even if that's true, the rich would still be eaten, and that's the actual important bit.

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