When I lived up north by Canada, the logic was "you don't want kids having to walk to/from school when it's dark!!" Okay, so... wow, did you know they could change school hours.

The same argument works the other way. Keep noon as the point where the sun is highest. Then change the times of things for appropriate daylight. Daylight savings is just people agreeing to get up an hour earlier. Instead of "9 to 5", everyone agrees to work 8 to 4. Which coincidentally puts solar noon perfectly in the middle of the work day. Isn't that a surprise!

Also school: let's start activities at 6 AM in winter. And not finish until 10PM. No the bus only runs for school hours why do you ask?

change the school hours for the shifting daylight hours, you'd also have to change parents' work schedules.. or provide some child care benefits, maybe. and we know how that would go over with this congress and administration.

I don't know, we tried it in the 70s and people hated it enough to switch back pretty quickly. Under permanent DST, sunrise in January would not be until after 8 AM, while under permanent standard time sunrise in June would be shortly after 4 AM.

We've been ready to get rid of the switch for ages in Ontario and Quebec but because of international business we're stuck waiting for New York to also get rid of it

I hope the Dems read all the small print, like, "Daylight Savings is now permanent...and brown people have no rights...."

Just to argue counterpoint: nothing stops your schools or work from changing hours now, whenever the clocks change. Work and school 8 to 4 until dst. Then you work\school 9 to 5.

School hours are engineered to make sure parents can drop their kids off at the state-funded daycare (which is what most parents consider school) and get to work on time...

And the reason the high-school kids get out first is so they can take care of younger siblings after school, which is a shitty way for teenagers to spend afternoons. (I was lucky, youngest of six.)

As I always say, "A broken clock is right twice a day."

*modern day republicans

The OGs were cool back when the Republican Party was the progressive party that wanted to abolish slavery, give women the right to vote, etc.

Then they did pulled the uno reverse card about 90 years ago, and the GOP started becoming America’s Conservative Party.

On your first question: the current law is that DST is optional, but if a state opts out, they have to be on standard time. The new bill allows them to stay on DST permanently and removes the ability for states to opt-out unless they are already on year-round standard time. So, if this passes, every state in the union will be on either standard time or DST, depending on their status before, with no option to either go back to standard time nor to go back to changing twice a year.

Dude.. time zones can go fuck themselves. I'm a QA and every quarter we deal with some random ass bug that rolls back to time zone issues.

I need a website like isitdns.com except isittimezone.fu

The only two things programmers hate more than time zones are DNS and SSL

States are allowed to opt out of DST. They are allowed to adopt permanent standard time. They are forbidden from adopting permanent DST.

Great point. From a quick websearch it looks like every state is allowed to exempt itself. The few states that opted out did so right near the creation of the daylight saving time law.

I think maybe it comes down to inertia and staying in the herd. No state wants to be the first one to stick their neck out and make a change from the rest of the country all still doing the status quo.

It's, like, THE STANDARD

Yeah, no clue why everyone's going DST instead. I think having politicians make science decisions is a really dumb idea.

People like daylight time in the summers, because that gives them the opportunity to do things after work in sunlight. For places where they're getting 16 hours of sunlight, they'd generally prefer sunrise at 5am and sunset at 9pm, rather than 4am to 8pm.

But daylight time is terrible in the winters. Sunlight from 8am to 4pm is probably better than 9am to 5pm.

That's basically why we had daylight savings switching clocks to begin with. But the fundamental tradeoff in the higher latitudes was always summer versus winter.

Because most of the year is already daylight savings time. We're only in standard time for 4 months from November to March. It doesn't sound like a big difference from being 50/50, but we're in DST twice as long as we're in standard time.

Because I want it to be light out later in the day

North/West vs South/East in each time zone

There are 4 time zones in the US

The more North/West you live in a time zone the more you hate DST. The more South/East you live the more you like DST.

If you live in blue you probably hate DST, yellow probably like DST

All stems from states like Michigan should be in CST not EST. If Michigan was in CST then permanent DST would make it EST and they would be in "standard" time still.

"standard" time is only used about 1/3 of the year. We use DST most of the year. Minimizing disruption, we should just drop that exception.

With DST, solar noon is pretty close to 12PM on the eastern end of the time zone. With standard time, solar noon lines up closer to 11AM on the eastern edge. Standard time just doesn't make sense.

Because light in the evening is better than light at night.

I just saw that. What. The. Fuck.

Exactly.

Of course there might be somethibg horrible in this bill that they want to sneak through.

We are further north. I went daylight time because it leaves more daylight after work.

To be fair, Saskatchewan of all places actually did it right. BC surprised me. Alberta makes perfect sense with Marlena at the helm.

getting the u.s. to finally do to metric

Well, depending on how you measure that, the metric system was adopted in the US federally either 50 or 35 years ago...

https://usma.org/laws-and-bills/executive-order-12770

The US is supposedly already converted to metric.

Do you complain for 3/4 of the year?

Was going to say. They already passed this, and then the Senate dragged it's feet