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Anon likes bikes

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[–] 83 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

Not only are bikes one of the most efficient forms of transport, they might be the most efficient form of powered locomotion, period. A human being on a bicycle is far more efficient than anything in nature.

ETA: Unless you consider e-bikes a separate category, since they (in some cases?) add regenerative braking on top of everything else.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    regenerative breaking on a bicycle ? not on mine thank god. I often coast down hills, last thing i want to have to do is pedal so the damn bike don't brake

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure why anyone would design it like that. I would expect it to be linked to the brake handles, not active at all times.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    No one would do that. On mine it's a switch but most are wired to the brakes as you mentioned. The main benefit is really just that you get brakes for free without any wear, though it is only generally possible on direct drive hub motors.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I have a hybrid with regenerative breaking. I'm not sure how well it compare to a theoretical regenerative ebike setup, but at least with my car I never need to use the gas even when the regenerative ebike is on.

    That, and when I do give it gas it automatically decreases the regenerative breaking, which I imagine wouldn't be too hard to implement on a bicycle.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (18 children)

    My wife likes to ride a bike, a lot. The more you get into it, the more expensive it gets. No those bikes and accessories aren't cheap. That thing getting stolen is a serious hit.

    Simple general store ones are cheap, dedicated sports store ones are far from cheap.

    Bicycles are great force multipliers, but legs are true symbol of freedom of movement. More versatile, almost everyone already have those, already using those is the maintenance required to maintain those.

    Though yeah i absolutely can't understand how cars became a symbol of freedom. Those are literally like a ball and chain around your legs.
    The cost of maintenance, car itself and fuel, stress from said fuel price and then getting to sit in a traffic jam overwhelming majority of the time, while trying to memorize huge amount of road rules that many just ignore and which can result in death.

    Yeah sure racetrack driving might be nice or going somewhere really remote, but that's so rare as to be a statistical anomaly, overwhelming majority of the time it's basic everyday driving.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    As a note about the "symbology of freedom" when it comes to cars it I think comes down to American centric shit again. When I lived in small town USA where there is nothing to do but meth and everyone knows everyone else's business the dream of packing your shit in a backpack and getting into the car and driving 4 hours away feels like freedom. You can go to a city or town and get away from it all.

    Now you can do the same in Europe on a train but that won't sell cars so....

    You can even see it in American car ads. There are two kinds of cars - the commuter, which focuses on luxury and style, and the "get away from your life" car, the SUVs you stick your camping gear in and go to the middle of nowhere to get away from your shitty life and experience nature in.

    Cars are a symbol of freedom because there is no transportation options, so not having one feels like prison

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    When I lived in small town USA where there is nothing to do but meth and everyone knows everyone else’s business the dream of packing your shit in a backpack and getting into the car and driving 4 hours away feels like freedom. You can go to a city or town and get away from it all.

    That's mainly because they quit running passenger service on those train tracks running through town 50 years ago.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Like most any hobby, you can spend as much on it as you like. But the bike coop in your city will probably sell a perfectly-serviceable used commuter to you on a need-based sliding scale all the way down to $20, if not totally free.

    As for legs... They're nice, but I've ridden my bicycle 110+ miles in like 8 hours. That's a massive quantitative difference, and a huge impact on quality of life for someone who needs to get around.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    I do agree and I did got my own bike for free from trash pile through her connections to local biking community.

    But she is making full use of the specialized equipment and bikes so i will not fault her for doing it.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You can cycle a lot without getting into racing bikes though.

    Walking you are going to want shoes. Shoes wear through and actually cost more than a decent regular bike per km.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Underrated point. Someone always brings up the cost of bikes in these threads and it's silly. Sure, some hard core cyclists will put $20k into the hobby, but it's not at all necessary.

    I've got maybe $1200 in my total set up, and I could have done it far cheaper if I'd been picky about shopping sales and buying used.

    The bike was around $750 new, $80 for an ergonomic saddle (saves on padded shorts, but YMMV), $60 for a helmet that fits well, $100 for pedals with toe clips so I can wear street shoes, and a few accessories here and there.

    I put in 30-50 miles a week on average and I've had the bike for better than 2 years with no major mechanical issues. I don't know where that puts me in terms of milage over the average cyclist, but I have a great time and get plenty of exercise without breaking the bank.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    I used to ride a mid to high range Fuji (a semi permement loan) with no toe clips or any aditional gear, and in street clothes. At my peak riding with that bike, I was doing 90 miles a week (to and from work only. I was probably doing more outside of work travel). Like once a year the tubes would blow out, that was the only cost. The bike was also not rated for my hieght. To boot, I was at least three inches too short for it, and would use road curbs to mount and dismount lol. Ya couldnt stop me from riding.

    god I miss it. I just got my bike working again, an REI mountain bike, and I like it, but have no where to go on it, I just lap my neighborhood a couple times a week. I miss the city in this way. I used to go to the store with a back pack, put my shopping on my back, ride to friends houses, do a 20mile trip with a mapquest printouts, get lost, find my way. So much fun. I did everything on my bike for close to ten years. It was liberating not needing gas money, and by god was I fit

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Because distance. Bikes makes total sense in cities or just anywhere where there is a dense enough population that you can do all you want inside a 5km-10kkm area, but for a lot of north america, Australia, etc the freedom comes from being able to take any road you like and see where it ends up

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    @Jarix @Shellofbiomatter The overwhelming majority of trips aren't aimless wandering in search of freedom, they're utilitarian trips to the grocery store, library, a friend's house, your kids' school, etc. The percentage of people in sprawly countries who truly live too far away from daily necessities to get there by bicycle if the roads were designed for safety and comfort is far too small to justify adopting standards that force even cities to make their streets bike-unfriendly.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Just responding to why cars are seen as the vehicle of freedom.

    In all things people rarely, if ever, maximize what they COULD do.

    And we can disagree with those people who view it that way if we want to frame it, but I can't visit my friends in the city by riding a bike. When I do hang with friends I've often gone out of my way to give people rides because it's much better for them to use my offer of a lift home than it is to use public transit or their own mobility.

    My main point though is distance is the determining factor in this equation.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ok, then why isn't the bullet train the symbol of freedom? You can visit friends much further away than a car can. How about motorcycles? You can visit your friends even if there's insane traffic or the road is out.

    I think cars being the symbol of freedom is unrelated to any actual utility, rather it seems based on a story advertisers tell about a car offering you control.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    I recently saw a scatter plot somewhere, I believe it was speed vs energy efficiency or something body weight vs cost of transport. And all animals, as well as most modes of transport follow a roughly anti-proportional relationship on a log-scale. If you're fast heavy, you use a lot of energy. If I remember it right, the fastest most efficient animal was the salmon (?). There was one single outlier from that trend, an animal that is much too fast and much too efficient for its weight at the same time: Human on a bike.

    Edit: Found it: https://slowrevealgraphs.com/2025/12/31/a-human-on-a-bicycle-is-among-the-most-efficient-forms-of-travel/

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Too bad trains and boats are missing from the graph.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    That is interesting! Looks like that table is for passenger transport specifically, not energy per mass. People don't pack nearly as densly in transport as heavy cargo does. Not safely and willingly anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    There's also a table in that Wikipedia article that breaks it down for a few real world train services with percent capacity ranging from 27 to 65% (in different networks / on different trains, though). But yeah, humans like their personal space, even in trains, those wasteful brats.

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    cars require roads for the most part and that's a socialized freedom boats would be a better symbol of freedom

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    almost completely unregulated

    Not if the car brains get their way

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    My city has police on bicycles. And I guess that if I performed some "interesting" maneuver on the road in their sight - I'd absolutely be apprehended by them and fined.

    I've only ever seen them apprehending a biker who decided to use bicycle lane tho.

    But yeah, not "unregulated", yet with most of regulations being there for my own safety such as helmet and reflective thingies in wheels.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    Also the transmission lasts between 2 years and forever. Probably also depends on how aggressively you use it.

    Well, the bicycle I use now is actually somewhat decent unlike the one I had as a child (so maybe that's why it doesn't have many problems).

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (26 children)

    I can't drive because I am neurodivergent and traumatized, so I get panic attacks when I drive. It's too fast, too much power and responsibility and my schizoautismo brain shuts down not knowing what to do. So I ride my bike everywhere.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Too scared of my ADHD to drive.. Too scared of my ADHD and other cars to ride a bike :x

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Funnily, driving is one of the few things that keeps my ADHD at bay. Danger is immediate, reactions are required, action is mandatory. It's exactly what my brain needs. I usually need a 2 day warm-up to make a simple phone call but if somebody does an emergency stop right in front of me, I react like a cat.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (21 children)

    i have adhd and i'm terrified of driving, well, i'm terrified of other people driving. if i knew everyone played by the rules that'd be fine, if i knew everyone didn't play by the rules i'd also be fine. but in my country i'm expected to assume everyone follows the rules and blindly trust people do as expected or i'm "disrupting traffic". fuck that! i wouldn't trust a random stranger with keeping an eye on pet rock let alone my life!

    pretty much everyone in my life tells me i have to get over that fear but i'm not in a hurry, i've got my electric bike and i'm happy

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (20 children)

    I cannot figure out what some people are doing in their cars when I'm on my bike. I've been hit before, both with it being my fault and not. I'm getting better at familiar strips of the area. People don't realize life can be fundamentally different if you leave your little pocket of reality. Drivers in NY are not the same as drivers in AZ.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (19 children)

    I'm worried. This comment is a coherent thought. Are you ok??

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    Bingo bongo I like morrey mongo! Flarstiloppos! What is this ghost in my heart? A machine gun blessing in the disguise! This is my perfartmance fart and I ain't nothin but a hound dog to all you hater hogs. We are all one and Jesus lives in my butthole rent-free!!!!!!

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Jesus cannot live rent free in your ass because he lives rent-free in my ass every night and day. Plus he's black, and you're too racist to love that throbbing dark meat.

    See, you're saying random shit. I'm being honest. There's a difference between you and me, and that is why I am Anonymous, as my phone's keyboard's predictive text tells me to tell you, boy.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    O holiest of holies! I am repent of this situation but I don't know what you think about me but 😭

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I love you. I don't know what you're doing, but either authentic or you're not, so which is it?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    I am the real master of none and puppet to all the Christmas songs, but you, you are the real mccoy of blasting asses and chewing bubble names. All the flamingos in the land bow to your ghostly cock mastery and diddling of chipmunk housewives who live by the bay of pig-fuck.

    We all know who the real big fish is here right? 😍

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    The third or fourth or fifth party we're talking to, or all we all you? I could totally be this whole conversation and be both sides of it, y'know? I could be you, bro. You could be me, but y'know, you hold on to that delusion of a self.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    The dark knight will kick your fucking brain in two my brother man. That will be the day of sadness for us all to be happy about, and thus the cycle of becoming shitty at writing not a sense has begun left unchecked by the cocks who run this county government. Those sons of bitches have been living the change they want to be in this world, and that hurts every little kitten who ever done fucked a cow. I mean it's tragic that the leftover kolkuttamites have gone longing for fart ghouls without treasures in site, not at all. Gone are the days of blasting hog dicks without paying first. It's a grand masterpiece of design by the powers of the nepheline bigotry messengers of the deep cock huntress wag doggies of Krist Khe Kedeemer!!!

    Muahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha

    Edit: also my account is .0028 nanoseconds old and this is fun for everyone!!!

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I ain't never fucked a cow, just large women, and I'll do it again for the sake of bringing Jesus Christ into their hearts and souls.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    I fucked every cow I ever seen. I was flying over the country the other day, and I'll be damned if I didn't have to go back and track down thousands of he-cows so I could sex them up with the mormon Bible thumping Dick humps. It was sick brah and also bad as good.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    You shouldn't have sexual relations with animals unless they consent, bro. Thems the rules.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I made the fuckin rules and I say cows is hot! It's done been a hot minute since you said Jesus is your bitch. You good bruh

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    I know your lord carnally.

    And there 8nt a got dam thing any fuckin surgeon can say to my mom about it

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'll fuck ur mom's ass in front of doctor if she she needed someone to do that to save her from bowel cancer or some shit

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    You and me both bruh?

    This schtick getting old now? I can out-weird you if I want to. It's just dumb and I'm nearly done with it. Maybe one more deranged manifesto. Something about fart horses, who knows. Then I'm out.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You do you, I'll do me, and we'll meet back here when we wanna touch each other in a profound way as Jesus Christ touched me in a Mormon church the other week, and that was when I was touching myself!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    By God's wounds, man, there is no reason to get so personal!

    What they don't tell you in texas, is that despite all the steers and queers, you ain't gotta pick. The savior of flimtapulous orgasmics have spoken once and for all: fuck them all in the name of Christio-Satanism! For Jesus has risen to grant us psychoactives a place in the post-coital afterworld of shit. If we don't pack up now and head for New Galilee, the priests of prickly pears are surely going to reign over us in a sea of blood kingdom oaths. But fear not my friend in wankbabbling, let us all proclaim our love for New Rome! For the trial of the Narazinian Horsebreath never ended. To this day, they cross examine his breathren in a sea of despair. We must never exalt the ways of that fallen pestilence. It has granted us the will to live up to necrophilitic justice. I for one give two shots of PCP to elderly giants so they can continue their climb to heaven's back door. And Jesus, shit he's there giving handjobs to all the rich people's servants. Same as you and me my man. We all gather by the gates to rimjob the masses who cooperate with the Great Jesus-Satan's will. Blessed are the sodomites who landed there first, after the great cataclysm of steer-fuckery, and then some. Am I right? We don't have a second to spare, we have to grab our maggots and head out the stellar gates to Mandoria for our breakfast is getting cold. And old. But mostly hot as fire-cum.

    That single heroin beer I drank after creating my account a billionth of a moment in the past has really opened my mind to the beautiful psychopathy-hosing within my cock. Thank you soulmate, we will forever be bound by the bloodlust of the hereafter and all that the deities have granted us to befall Constantine and his intuitionist ways. I for the life of me cannot imagine going back to nearing the presipous of making a goddamned bit of sense. Fuck all the brutality and racism of making any sense. That shit never even did a lot for me or you neither. Stream of consciousness sociopathy is the true key to Grendel's mansion in Gaal. Fuck yeah. Those Vandals will never come close to the power we get from one Christ-titty-fuck. Mormons forever in the blood of goatish hell-lambs of the past!!! Grant us your wax grampas so that we may salivate at the chance for tomorrow'a next yesterday. Forever in sacrificing pleasure for cock times of the Wodinsdag, your sister of meerkar-coming. I bow my head and shit. Amen to blasphemy and all his children. Squirt!!!!

    Edit: Seacrest out.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    Bless you. As the leader of the Mormon Occultism sect of Christianity, I proclaim this man and/woman, or whatever gender they may identify this week, is living just as our lord, Jesus Christ, did and died for! Now where are my nipple clamps? Joseph Smith better miracle his ass to my orgy, or I'll miracle him there myself!

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Air conditioning.

    Air conditioning is why the car is so popular.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    It's all kinds of comfort. Comfort to only walk a little when you arrive. Comfort of being "safe" while others are endangered (by you). Comfort of only pushing a pedal with minimal force, instead of propelling yourself. Comfort of having all your shit with you, like a miniture house/oversized backpack. Comfort of keeping a distance to others, being able to hide all you flaws with your carry-on personal space while othering everybody else. Comfort of being sheltered from environment while driving (+ AC), actively worsening the environment.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    There have been hot days where friends met me at a bar and asked me ”Weren’t you hot on a bike?” It was only then I realized the day was considered hot, because I had wind cooling, and they had a metal greenhouse with solar gain.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    That only works if by "hot" days you mean "comfortably warm". For actually hot weather, it's gonna have to be evaporative cooling (sweat) and even then it gets pretty uncomfortable unless you're going at a leisurely pace IMO.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    And if its hot and humid you're screwed. I love being physically active but i literally need to bring a second shirt if its warmer than 25C and even just a little humid. Especially if i have a backpack which i almost always do. I can wring the sweat out of the back of my shirt after 20 minutes on days like that.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I can wake up in Utah in the morning, and be at the beach in California in the afternoon. I think that's freedom. Google says that same trip on a bike is 3 days. Through Vegas and the Mojave desert. If you don't die.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Answer: freedom without effort is more freedom than freedom with effort. If that difference was small, nobody would put up with all the negative effects of cars

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Driving a car is way harder than riding a bike. We don't let kids drive cars. You have to do a test and everything!

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    No it isn't, the consequence of failure is just higher. Cars are stupid easy to drive

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    No. No they are not.

    Unless you're driving competitively on a dedicated track, you aren't centred in a car, which is disorienting.

    Also, large areas of your field of view are blocked by metal sheets in a car. Combine that with the aforementioned disorientation and it's an awkward, confusing design that you just have to struggle with until you get used to it.

    Then there's the gears. In a bike, you just need to flick a switch to change gear. In a car, you have to do a whole dance with two pedals and a lever. And also the clutch sometime is a brake but not quite? The clutch does a whole lot of random things which make sense to engineers but nobody will ever explain them to a learner driver.

    Driving a car is fucking hard. There's a reason you need to pass a test before they'll even let you practice.

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    [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It might not be a bad idea to get some kind of insurance in the alarmingly likely event some jackass hits you and drives off either oblivious or indifferent.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    one small nitpick

    Being hit BY a bike rider is much safer, but being hit AS a bike rider is not.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Being hit by a CAR is what's unsafe. If you get hit by a bike, while on a bike in general you'll be fine, worst case is you break something which is the best case when a car is involved

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