Nope. It’s the catchy original definitions untainted by despots.

You. All the upvotes to you.

Exactly what I was trying to say.

Good luck getting that motley crew to get along

I mean, this isn't a project that started yesterday, and it isn't some hypothetical. DSA has existed in its current form, a big tent with ideological and strategically based caucuses, for a little over a decade at this point. If anything the caucus system, which currently codifies those different tendencies in the org, makes it stronger. People within DSA debate endlessly about everything under the sun, but the minute any one part of the org is attacked by someone on the right, the org rallies around them, generating greater organizational coherence. It's like having siblings. You can bully your little brother, but god forbid anyone else tries it.

Additionally, caucuses allow DSA members to collaborate across chapters in ways that national is improving on, but not currently able to fully facilitate. Caucuses also exchange ideas, strategies, etc. in ways that general membership might not do otherwise.

And that, I think, is what has allowed DSA to grow in the way that it has. All of these left tendencies are forced to come to the table in order to get what they want, instead of just imploding into a billion little sects. And those negotiations, both among caucuses, and with material conditions, mean that DSA is able to formulate a cohesive program and strategy.

I think the Caucus system, as it currently stands, will probably have to be done away with at some point, if DSA is to cohere more power, and thus a greater sense of party discipline, but for now, I think it's a strength of the org, not a weakness.

Yeah, the left is unfortunately mired with purity tests and No True Scotsman fallacies. Meanwhile, the right is laser focused on marching directly towards fascism. It’s like watching a game of tug-of-war, except one side has people tripping their teammates, or loudly complaining about how they got rope burn one time so they’re going to refuse to participate.

Ranked choice voting (or similar) needs to be pushed through
People need to recognize and relate to new parties.

So I'm inferring you believe people will suddenly start voting for 3rd parties in order to then get voting reforms enacted, rather than voting reform being the necessary catalyst to making 3rd parties viable?

Just look at the numbers. At present there are a grand total of 3 (out of 535) federal legislators who are not either Democratic or Republican. Bernie Sanders ran in the Democratic primary for Senate in 2008, winning the nomination but then declining it to run as an Independent. Kevin Kiley was first elected as a Republican and then declared as Independent after several years in office. In all state legislatures combined, there are a total of 6 state senators and 22 state representatives out of 7,578 total state legislative seats.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_and_independent_members_of_the_United_States_Congress
• https://ballotpedia.org/Current_independent_and_minor_party_federal_and_state_officeholders
• https://www.ncsl.org/about-state-legislatures/state-partisan-composition

Fewer than half of US states have a process for voters to initiate new legislation by direct ballot initiative (if you include voter-led veto ballot initiative of existing legislation, or state Constitutional amendments it's 26, but strictly for writing and passing new legislation it's 21).

https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum

And 13 states have already banned RCV.

https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/03/25/thirteen-states-have-now-banned-ranked-choice-voting-as-municipalities-decide-on-whether-to-adopt-it/

So I think we need the 3rd party candidates and voters to run and vote in the major party primaries in order to get elected. Like we've been seeing with DSA candidates winning Democratic primaries and previously Tea Party candidates winning Republican primaries. Either that or successfully calling a new Constitutional Convention to rewrite the whole damn thing, and I really don't think that will play out the way we would want it to in the current political climate.

RCV is just one of many alternative voting systems that has alot of warts. I think there are better options that should be explored:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison/_of/_electoral/_systems

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop%5C&v=O-dzK3YIAf8

What do you think of my observations on that in my other comment I'm this thread?

Gotta win elections to ram that through, though.