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[–] 91 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The horror! Won't someone think of the rich who profit from each of these vital services?!

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago*

    *Profiting from the privatization of these vital services, thereby guaranteeing that those services are degraded to the lowest quality possible while reaching the smallest number of people possible while most of the funds reach the pockets of the people at the top.

    As long as a profit motive exists, that motive is that the person at the top gets as much of the money possible, while the people who the services are meant to serve always get the absolute least as is possible, and what is possible continues to diminish until it reaches zero.

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  • [–] 78 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    If you just give someone a Palestine for free, what incentive will they have to work?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 56 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    Health care ? Stable economy ? You really want that ?

    You'll end up just like Boomers with fancy "pensions" and "cabins" and happy grandkids DO YOU REALLY want tha.... yeah that sounds pretty pretty pretty good comrade.

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    What blows my mind is that basically all of these fit in with fiscal conservative ethos.

    • Healthcare would benefit the most from economy of scale, which is the bedrock of corporation above the mom and pop level.
    • Education is literally capital reinvestment for sustained growth.
    • Housing is a commodity like like any other.
    • 32 hour work weeks are scientifically proven to increase productivity and decrease Fraud, Waste, and Abuse.
    • Taxation is another instance of capital reinvestment for sustained growth. Hell, it's (demi-god of capitalism) Henry Ford's "pay the line workers enough to buy my products".
    • The Green New Deal is not quite as cut and dry, but there is plenty of both "leveling the playing field to promote free market competition" against fossil fuel subsidies AND capital reinvestment.

    Palestine opens a whole other can of billions of dollars of foreign government spending separate from the ethical concerns, which is less clear cut on market economics and would need to be an essay by itself. So I will just stick with the 6 out of 7 low hanging fruits for this argument, and mock the completely not fiscally conservating mess the Republican party has become.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago

    The conservatives abandoned ethos long ago in favor of being against everything the progressives are for.

    One of the bits that blew my mind was watching foreign politics and learning other countries have right wings further left than our own left. Fucking Overton windows.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There was a time where I was moderate, willing to believe the word of conservatives who said they wanted fiscal responsibility. I now know that they are craven liars, and have become fully radicalized.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Preach! I still consider myself to be a moderate or centrist as a leftist libertarian (social progressive and fiscal conservative), and also haven't believed Republicans were actual fiscal conservatives since Bush Jr. They have been only social conservatives since arguably at least Regan. Still pissed off that insane Ayn Rand utopian individualists and Christian Nationalists became the entire libertarian movement.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Green New Deal is also incredibly sound economics and conservative ethos. Economically speaking, which is better: something you have to spend a bunch of time and effort mining for and then can only ever use it once or something you spend a bit more effort mining and manufacturing, but then can receive gains off your investment for decades? Gains that exceed your initial investment well before expected end of life.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And that's just the economics of the gains; completely forgoing the cumulative costs burdened upon society by climate-change (increased heating/cooling-costs, early deaths because of pollution, crops failing and the mass-migration as a result of that). Continuing with fossil fuel is very very dumb if you look at the medium to long term.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    For sure, but I focused on just the easily quantifiable economic returns because most people who would call the Green New Deal the Green New Scam are also climate change deniers. So, focusing on just their own pocketbooks with things that can easily be measured and calculated seems a better approach.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    True, although we shouldn't pretend that the cost for building a coal mine or developing an oil field is more single use than a solar farm or wind turbine. Many oil wells and coal mines operate for decades with relatively small operational costs after initial build out. Time in production difference is not statistically significant enough to make that a linchpin argument.

    The jobs created by solar and wind in R&D, manufacturing, and construction and maintenance, along with most importantly the carbon emissions benefits are the most relevant economic points. Nuclear should also be part of the Green New Deal, but fossil fuel companies successfully fear mongered that sector to death.

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Healthcare would benefit the most from economy of scale

    would it? i've had far worse experience in large medical systems than i have in small clinics.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    From a customer service standpoint, no, but I was talking about the cost perspective. A single payer system financing small clinics would be the best answer here, getting rid of the corporate hospital impersonality while keeping costs low. If a doctors office doesn't have to deal with the insurance middle men and pharmacy middle men who are parasitically draining the system, you will have more neighborhood clinics and hospitals that care about their city's residents.

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Bro didn't have an icon for Palestine

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Their graphics team is working on an icon of bombs landing on kids probably.

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  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago*

    Socialism!

    Ooohh. Say it again!

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago*

    HOW DARE THEY GIVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LITERALLY EVERYTHING THEY EVER WANTED!!!

    AAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

    😂😂😂😂😂😊😂😂😂😂😂

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  • [–] 201 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh no! It's... European centrist?! And a rogue Free Palestine with a steel chair from the corner!

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  • [+] 38 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    if they had room on the graphic, it'd be there too.. but their racism runs deeper, and just think of all the black and brown people that would benefit from these policies. they don't care that "all" includes all the maga nuts, too, doesn't even register in their minds.. it's just that "those" people.. the "wrong" people.. would get something--anything, is just too much for them to handle.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    OK, that clinches it. I've had a feeling since the first time I saw this graphic that there was some sympathetic background worker at Fox News who purposely made the thing look as appealing as possible. "Culture war" issues are still kneejerk, hot button topics for a lot of that audience.

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    My favorite activity for a minute now is to ask people the definitions and differences between socialism and communism. It's entertaining.

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago*

    o0o in a similar vein, i like to ask them if they are pro fascism or anti.. reminding them that they really only get to pick one.. and watch them squirm as their programming conflicts

    which is hilarious as they generally also couldnt define fascism if their life depended on it

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    Clown world is the only place this could not be a joke. Like what else could they have on there? Free oral sex on request? Support for kittens?

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    Fox news is just an online church. Preaching all the hate, gloom & doom. No one is allowed to be happy or have nice things. Fear is the flavor of every day. What a sad, sad cult this is.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    It's like when AOC was gaining popularity so they showed her platform on Fox. Showing all these good things as "bad".

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    It almost makes me wonder if the people working in their graphics department are left-leaning. You'd think they'd at least do something like add dollar signs to the art to make it clear that these good things aren't free.

    I once met someone who worked on computer graphics for one of the NFL broadcasters. He hated gridiron football with a passion, but a job was a job, so he made animations involving shiny humanoid robots, because apparently that has something to do with gridiron football. I don't know if he snuck easter eggs into his stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised.

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  • [+] -21 points 4 months ago (4 children)
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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    AOC is a fake leftist CIA plant to temper and suppress actual revolutions in burgerland. AOCIA

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Anybody has the video? I wanna know if this is real and if it is I wanna see them try to spin that the bad way.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Ah yes, thanks faux news for accidentally advertising socialism and making them look cool

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I find it funny that they couldn't find a pictogram for the last one.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This boogie-man makes perfect sense when viewed through the lens of zero-sum thinking. They literally view helping other people as being detrimental to their own position because it means that the people "beneath" them are now less far beneath. This makes their position feel less lofty because we've raised the floor of human suffering, thereby making them feel less advantaged and less high above that floor of human suffering by comparison.

    It's not even a meme to characterize them as saying, "the suffering is the point" when they support certain inherently evil consumerist practices. They literally think that way.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    I like how the Free Palestine bit clearly wasn't part of whatever presentation they stole this from.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sounds good to me, what's the problem? 🥴

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  • [–] 67 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    The older generation is so selfish they don’t want the younger generations to get something “easier” than they think they had it. “I walked uphill both ways in the snow” kind of thinking. Most privileged generation.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Good luck being distracted by age. That's almost as bad as red/blue state bullshit. Sure, the people in power in those states is making a difference, but my point is there's a huge mix of people in every state. And in the same way, there's plenty of old progressives and young fascists.

    Constantly putting this crap on older generations implies you're one of the ones hoping the problem will die off.

    It won't.

    And distracting you from realizing that is the big reason for the push for "boomers" to equal "evil". There's a lot of idiot evil boomers, but there's plenty of young idiot evil fascists.

    The problem ain't gonna die itself away. We must fight.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've been hearing that the Republican Party will wither from attrition as they all die off for 50 fucking years. We should be free of them by now, but instead they've taken over everything.

    I always tell people to remember back to that first big protest in Chancellorville, when all those neo-Nazi fuckwits marched in with their tiki torches, chanting "Jews will not replace us". ALL those weenies were under 40 years old. Rush Limbaugh and all the other psychopathic propagandists have been great at recruiting and indoctrinating new psychopaths into their ranks, and replacing all the old psychopaths that finally got dragged to Hell.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    You don't understand Christianity. Christianity is the religion of the police state. Revelation 22:15 encapsulates the notion of how the sinners are surrounded, with everyone who loves AND practices lying (not TO) being the undercover cops. Jesus' crucifixion let us see who the idoltarers were, and cost one Roman soldier with a spear a promotion. I guarantee those tiki torch fuckers were 80% cops. The Proud Boys are feds. I know this because the joke is I had to be a crackhead because I wasn't good enough to be a pothead, which is a festival cop.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Thinking in labels is inherently dualistic thinking. The brain processes entanglements, and it is möbiated entanglements, that which the Buddhists called "defiled" that manifest the illusion of the self. This is giving a string a half-twist to create dualistic dichotomy (inner/outer). A form of möbiation that would take a minute to explain, but can be summed up in the phrase orthogonal relativity, and this picture, is what allows the brain to process an eleven dimensional topological matrix. Yer a knot, Neo. Enlightenment is being the effect before the cause - developing your prefrontal cortex to predict and outclass the animal parts of the brain, and resolving all karmic debt to demöbiate all your mind back into a unified field of entanglements.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    This is sorta the same defense as "#NotAll(X)". Because, like, yeah, obviously there are plenty of older progressives. But... The issue at hand here is one of power. Older generations have more wealth on average and hold more conservative views on average. It's sorta on them to use their positions to make lives easier on those younger and less fortunate than themselves, and unfortunately for the rest of us, they are less likely to do so. And I say this with a boomer grandma doing her fucking best protesting outside ICE facilities.

    To pretend there isn't an age bias is silly. To pretend there is only an age bias is also silly. But it does exist, interrelated to wealth and power disparities that everyone is suffering from. So, you know, fuck boomers. If you don't like hearing that, then really reflect on what that says about you.

    In closing, yeah, the problem won't simply die away, but I ain't gonna pretend it doesn't help, even if it isn't every boomer's fault.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The point that you are glossing over and dismissing as a minor one is Central to my theme: the problem is not going to die itself away.

    Most of the people riding off boomers assume that all the youngsters are progressives. They are not.

    Nowhere did I say boomers are equally as progressive as any other group. There's a reason I didn't say that. There's a reason I said the other things that I said.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't think everyone is saying the youth are all progressives, either. I think the only people saying that are conservatives.

    The problem will get better with people dying of old age, though. You can't really deny that.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Around 44% of Boomers consider themselves conservative.

    Around 33% of young adults do.

    Go ahead and wait around while the fascists only increase the propaganda if you think that'll help, but in my humble opinion, that only falls into their trap. They get us to wait while they keep fighting tooth and nail.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Last night at dinner boomer maga: “why aren’t the kids drinking anymore?” Me: well we got like 10 jobs and have no time so i imagine they have like 20 jobs even less… “we used to go to work hungover”… oooooookay

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    How about getting a single DUI will absolutely ruin your life? I'm so paranoid about drinking that I NEVER drink when I'm out for dinner. If a cop pulls me over, I want to be able to say "I haven't had a single drop to drink."

    Besides, what's wrong with people drinking less? Not smoking and drinking are two of the best things you can do for your life. This guy wants young people to fuck up their lives, so that he feels better about fucking up his?

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    It's funny that you think not having a drop to drink will prevent the cops from arresting you for DUI with a 0.0 breathalizer anyway and the DA from prosecuting you despite an additional 0.0 blood test.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe the graphics designers are insiders?

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    oh no, basic universal rights!

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    This is a regular bit on FOX News. The list all the platform points of a Democratic official and play it as if it's offensive when they should be positive points and are, popular policies according to most polls.

    I've seen lists played this way on FOX for years now, including the original Green New Deal.

    I don't understand how this works, and am disquieted that it does. FOX is super confident in the thrall it has over it's viewership.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    It works because the average Fox News viewer:

    1. Is old, and already has Medicare, and doesn’t want it changed.
    2. Is retired and would see no benefit from a 32 hour work week
    3. is old, and sees environmental regulations as costs to them now with benefits in a future they won’t see
    4. Is old and retired and would see no benefit from free college
    5. is old and probably owns a house substantially paid off, and would see no benefit from a government housing program
    6. is a selfish asshole who doesn’t want others to enjoy these benefits, not even their own children
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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    While I agree with this depiction of the older demographics, it leaves out the "values" that Fox News viewers are propagandized into accepting.

    They believe we live in a meritocracy, government should leave them alone, America is a great nation, and everyone has to earn their way in life. These "values" allow older Republicans to take pride in their lives and the younger Republicans blame themselves (or immigrants/minorities/etc) for their lack of success.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    That gives me a glimmer of hope, that the boomers dying off (and some of us Xers) will allow the Overton window to shift again away from tribalism and towards mutualist values.

    It is curious though, since the silent generation and greatest generation both had a sense of legacy, e.g. planting trees knowing you will not live to feel their shade. I wonder if it's related to the rise of consumerism and the disposable product economy.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    It's negative programming. It's a psychological technique used to prevent the subject from engaging with a subject earnestly when a source of free information is available by 'poisoning the well' ahead of time by associating the idea with an 'opposed ideology' thus discrediting the source of further information ahead of time.

    Works on enough people to matter.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fireman saves kitten and no money changed hands. Fuck that communist bastard fireman! /s

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They're terrified at the idea of the "lower class" having anything good. They think it takes something away from them. They're terrified of people having good things without "earning" it, even though the rich aren't earning it either

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    It's like Syndrome in The Incredibles with the "When everyone's super, no one will be." But for them, when everyone has a living wage, social safety net, human rights - they won't be superior to anyone anymore.

    And when they're still a failure and not even superior to anyone who has it worse… who are they anymore?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have a link to a stream of this show's segment? I tried Googling for it, but came up with nothing. I'd genuinely like to know what their argument against having these things is. I'm assuming it's the same old "who's going to pay for it" thing, which we all know is silly because we always seem to have plenty of money for wars, bailouts, subsidizes for corps/billionaires, etc. Still I'd like to hear their fearmongering talking points on this one.

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