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[–] 64 points 4 months ago (19 children)

didn't FIDE banned trans women from women's chess because they think men are smarter?

that should have been a bigger scandal

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Sexist and transphobic at the same time??

    It's more likely than you think

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    it is funny how the transphobes claim to be protecting women, by being the most misogynistic people around

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They're tied to the same thing, because they think women are weak and pathetic, thus need protection (so they're the ones who get to abuse them instead).

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  • my favourite genre of videos is woman grandmaster playing random guys and they become pissy toddlers when they lose,

    Exception that one rough looking guy who took it so well, he absolutely enjoyed seeing such an amazing player in action. That guy should be the standard for masculinity.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Very few people claim to be protecting a group while actually respecting them

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Chess being gendered is silly, who cares what someone has in their pants, you can't have a biological advantage in fucking chess of all things

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Didn't a male chessplayer enter a women's tournament covered in Islamic garment to disguise himself, and obliterated everyone? I'm not arguing against you, I just remember seeing something about that.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    this? https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/65280560

    And?

    Men were already bared from women's chess.

    no idea what is your point.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Well not really a point, but if it's the case then well trans women genetically have male brains and there for unfairly "better" at chess. Again, I'm not saying that IS the case. Any competition/sport that doesn't need separation because of, for example, unfair physical advantages, shouldn't have it either.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I don't remember the context anymore, but wasn't there also a ban on trans women competing in some beauty contest because of "biological/unfair advantages" or something?

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    as we all know, transfems are all autistic lesbians interested in computer science, which means they are more likely to know how to actually win at rock paper scissors

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    real. i'm actually fairly good at rock paper scissors, I got like a 78% win rate with real people

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Can someone help me with the arguments for trans athletes tho fr? I work with a ton of chuds and they LOVE going on about "men" (trans women they wont recognize) competing unfairly with women. I dont give much of a shit about sports so I just avoid those conversations but if I could be more useful to the cause id like to be.

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Statistics. Trans women were allowed (under changing regulations) to compete in women's olympic tournaments from 2004 until 2026. None has won a medal in this time.
    In 2023, both World Arhletic and World Aquatic banned athletes who went through male puberty from competing in women's events relevant to global rankings. Before that, there was no domination of trans women in these sports.

    Generally, the number of known trans athletes is very low (like, in the 20s or 30s) and their success is limited at best.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago

    Only one openly trans person has ever won an Olympic medal. Trans people are 1% of the population, so you're expect us to win 1% of the medals if we're equally good at sports as cis people. But the truth is, trans people suck at sports because most of us are huge nerds. Plus, T blockers give trans women LOWER testosterone than cis women, and the Olympic rules say you have to be on T blockers to compete in the women's league. So we're at a chemical disadvantage compared to all those high-T alpha females at the Olympics.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    There are not a lot of studies out there, but most studies I remember reading looked at biological differences in school children and or at the highest level of competition. Some examples with shitty formatting below.

    Tiller et al. 2021: (Sorry for the springer link but try not to use a scihub workaround for the pay wall.)

    Do Sex Differences in Physiology Confer a Female Advantage in Ultra-Endurance Sport?

    Senefeld and Hunter 2024: Hormonal Basis of Biological Sex Differences in Human Athletic Performance, endocrinology vol 165

    (1) sex and gender are not the same; (2) males and females exhibit profound differences in physical performance with males outperforming females in events and sports involving strength, power, speed, and aerobic endurance; (3) endogenous testosterone underpins sex differences in human physical performance with questions remaining on the roles of minipuberty in the sex differences in performance in prepubescent youth and the presence of the Y chromosome (SRY gene expression) in males, on athletic performance across all ages.

    Or

    Brown, G. A., Shaw, B. S., & Shaw, I. (2024). Sex‐based differences in track running distances of 100, 200, 400, 800, and 1500m in the 8 and under and 9–10‐year‐old age groups. European Journal of Sport Science, 24(2), 217–225. https://doi.org/10.1002/ejsc.12075

    who found marginal differences in kids during the youth Olympic Games in the USA.

    None look specifically at trans athletes, but the small differences in the high competition sports are being used to proclaim a male natural ability to outperform females. It is reflected at all levels of PE class and studies have found that the way PE is being approached as a high competition is putting girls often off of sport. The aggression and risk of injury are often as cited as reasons.

    See

    Ryan, T., & Poirier, Y. (2012). SECONDARY PHYSICAL EDUCATION AVOIDANCE AND GENDER: PROBLEMS AND ANTIDOTES. International Journal of Instruction.

    So in a sense there is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Annyyhow, those examples are only to illustrate what the research is up to and might give you some ideas. Overall the notion men are superior is old and needs to go away especially when we are talking about schools PE class.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    I am not a health expert, but i remember seeing a study, that tells that personal physiological factors matter in sport more than hormones or sex. Some people just born strong, and some born weak. So its mostly just transphobia that prevents certain people from participating competitively. Unfortunally i always forget to save interesting articles, so i cant give a link, and you are free to not believe me.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Yeah. Basically, if they want to ban trans women from women's sporta for havin an "unfair genetic/biological advantage" over cis women, they'd also have do ban Michael Phelps from any sports because he waa born with measurable advantages like more efficient lungs, some weird shoulder stuff and his muscles tiring more slowly.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    A lot of them are just plain old misogyny.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I can just picture the New York Times headline: "Transgender Athlete Throws Rock, Beats Women"

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Good ol' rock, nothing beats that!

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The supreme court ruling made me so angry I did some math. One of the "biological advantages" they like to talk about is height, but if you pick a random woman over 6 feet tall off the street in the US, she only has about a 10% chance of being trans. And that's using overestimates of how many trans women there are and their height distribution.

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