An aside for anyone reading this:
https://sleepingrobots.com/dreams/stop-using-ollama/
And that barely scratches the surface. Please.
Use anything but Ollama. Even APIs.
An aside for anyone reading this:
https://sleepingrobots.com/dreams/stop-using-ollama/
And that barely scratches the surface. Please.
Use anything but Ollama. Even APIs.
I do, but I am becoming increasingly more disappointed as time goes on. Not just self hosted, llms in general. They sometimes help, but they mislead so many times and waste time that you don't even notice. I think that's the trap. When you succeed at a task, you become impressed but don't notice how many times it failed doing a simple task. And as soon as you scratch the surface, you see how you would have done it differently and perhaps in a better way. Even just googling is bad. It does research for you, but it has no critical thinking and can't decide what is better from the results it gets (other than google ranking) so it often leads you to think it did as good as you would, when it's nowhere near as good. Every time I did the googling myself after it did, I did it much better. And I mean MUCH better. Ask it to find the app, it misses the most important ones, hallucinates a bunch, for ex. I found this to be the case with frontier models as well.
Self hosting has its benefits, but seeing how the ecosystem looks right now, concluding this is a huge bubble is inevitable. It reminds me of crypto so much. It looks rich and plentiful, but as soon as you dig a mm under the surface - nobody has tested it, it's got a critical bug, it is overblown and there are issues with no response. No docs, no info, no nothing. For the biggest thing in technology in history, it is awfully hollow. I don't mean it in a condescending way, in fact community is enthusiastic and very helpful, it's just that it doesn't live up to what most would expect.
A caveat I need to mention is I have not used it for coding - I have an irrational fear and resistance towards it, being a programmer. I just won't touch it, even if it means the end of my career. I'm trying to be grown-up about it, but so far, I dont want to use it, for good and bad reasons.
Yes, I got a Strix Halo machine before the RAM price hike and use it to run all my ML stuff on it.
Currently using llama-swap with llama.cpp/ComfyUI and opencode/Open WebUI as frontend.
I'm running Qwen3.6-27b, Voxtral Mini 4b, Piper and Qwen Image. Also, some embedding and reranking models.
I use them for:
About 200 t/s prompt processing and 10-20 t/s with MTP.
Greatly depends on the task, predictable things like code generates at 18-20 t/s. Creative writing more like 10-17 t/s.
Given the 27b is a dense model, I think the numbers are quite ok. Curious about the quant tho.
The cool thing about the strix is its large unified memory, but it lacks memory bandwith for compute intensive workloads. Something like Qwen3.5-122b MoE with only like 12b active parameters might run at twice the speed if it fits the configuration.
Curious about the quant tho.
Q8 from unsloth.
Something like Qwen3.5-122b
My go to model for knowledge. Definitely much faster at Q5 but it lacks the tool calling quality of the Qwen3.6 models. Really hoping we see a Qwen3.6-122b soon...
In case you missed the Ornith 1.0 release (Qwen and Gemma RL finetunes for agentic / coding workloads), they look interesting to bridge the gap until we see larger 3.6 models or a 3.7 release. I didn't test them yet but according to benchmarks, the 35b MoE seems to be more or less on par with Qwen3.6 27b dense, while ofc a lot faster.
Yeah, I'm using qwen 31b a3b on an amd 9070xt requires a bit of cpu offloading, but still plenty fast. Using it wall llama.cpp. Combine that with some mcp's such as ddg-search to make it truly useful by actually being able to search online.
I mostly use it for small tedious tasks with well defined inputs and outputs. For example when hyprland recently changed from their own configuration language to lua. At first I started going line by line translating my config to the new lua language until I realized oh wait this is exactly the type of thing that ML is useful for. Going from the well defined hyprland configuration language to their also well defined lua syntax. It banged it out in less than a minute with only a single mistake which I easily fixed. The mistake it made was that it forgot to translate the comments to lua. It did it in less than a minute and worked first try. Where as I had made several typos and gotten a few lines wrong when I was doing it by hand.
Not to say that I couldn't do it. I would have gotten it done in about half an hour, but less than a minute is a lot faster.
I also used it to transform a bunch of unstructured data into json data, so that I could then use purpose built tools like jq to parse that. If I'm having trouble finding certain information. I'll ask it to find me some resources to look at.
Basically small well defined tasks and parsing data is what I use it for and it seems to be pretty good at that.
What I don't like is the way companies try to market it to people. I don't believe people should be trying to summarize emails or messages from loved ones, writing essays or any other creative tasks for the most part. Translating is okay. I don't expect a machine to be able to decide things for me or to be some filter between me and others.
Technically, TTS/STT are mostly MLs; I'm pretty sure many people run these. I have a setup but I'm better with buttons that with spoken words, and I listen to ambient sounds or music. I think some day I'll make voice assistant for talking to while driving, but that's not a trivial task hardware-wise, even if I used cloud LLM layer, which I won't. Putting AI on baremetal sounds like an interesting project.
I have a homemade "local agent" that can actually "code" somewhat, I use it just to figure out how this thing works on the inside practically. Mostly useless otherwise (also I have GPU that's older than AI, so it's kind of fun technical task to run this stuff on pure RAM+swap). Feels like the whole hype is greatly overrated, but I appreciate a chance to learn something new anyway.
Yes. My Actual Intelligence lives in my head, and runs mostly on coffee.
Just coffee?!? That's cool.
Mine runs on:
Mostly on coffee, not exclusively. Noticable amounts of spite & tortilla chips are also present, yes, but... no shame.
Do you get many hallucinations?
As we know AI stands for "An Indian", so if you're not from India, its actually impossible to self host.
Well, unless you manage to trap one in your basement, but that would violate human rights and hopefully also break the laws of your country.
@SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone this comment is not (directly) for you, I just want it in context.
Before you report someone for breaking rule 1, please look a the context. Specifically, the username someone may be replying to.
Yes. Openwebui/ollama for LLM, comfyui for stable diffusion. I just dick around with it as a toy.
Same. Its somewhat useful on some very small scripting or tasks...but its mostly just to try out a new model or two. Its not really useful for anything big.
I will have to say....even my tiny models are about as good as Chatgpt/Claude/etc... which makes me think about how much people are spending on tokens regularly. I was able to get the same kind of python script started with my local tiny model that was comparable to the newest Claude code offerings.
What local models have you been using? And what hardware are you running them on? I've been playing with local LLMs a bit for exactly your use case.
I have zero interest in vibe coding or full agentic workflows. But having a local LLM generate a Bash script to help me automate parts of my home lab infrastructure would be nice.
What are your hardware specs?
I was put off by ComfyUI, seems awfully complex. How is your experience?
Any suggestions to start? I have Fooocus installed now
It is difficult to understand in the beginning but has great support for premade workflows. It even saves the workflow into its output images so you can drag and drop them into the webui to duplicate the setup that generated the image. Use the internet to get premade workflows and mess around with them to see what the options do and you'll slowly learn how it works. If you don't care about precise control over the generations or understanding how image generators works then just use something else more all-in-one.
I tried but I only have 16g of ram and it wouldn't complete a thought alas
I've thought about it, but I actually could never think of anything I would do with it.
I've tried a few times but with only 8gig of vram it's simply not worth it.
How much CPU RAM do you have?
64G. But CPU inference is painfully slow.
Not anymore. Not with hybrid offloading, where the GPU handles dense tensors and the CPU only runs the sparse MoEs. I'm running a 300B model on a single 3090, and its faster than I can read.
You just need to use the right framework, and the right model.
I'd suggest trying ik_llama.cpp and a MoE like one of these: https://huggingface.co/models?other=ik_llama.cpp&sort=modified&search=35B
And speculative decoding like DFlash or MTP (which you can also get specific models for).
EDIT: Wrong link.
I'll check that out - speed isn't my biggest issue so much as coding performance... The qwen 3.5 model I was using can write code, but it's... Meh? Like sometimes it doesn't even compile.
I did try tweaking llama.cpp to do some cpu offloading and it does seem to allow for much larger contexts at a modest performance loss. I'll check out larger models.
CPU offloading is too slow unless you use a hybrid MoE model, with the --n-cpu-moe parameter, specifically.
This only offloads "sparse" parts of the model to the CPU, which take up a lot of RAM but are very compute-lite to run. In practice, thats most of the size of modern MoE LLMs.
Since implementation of the --fit parameter and its relatives, and --fit on becoming the default, llama.cpp intelligently decides what to offload. For me, it made --n-cpu-moe obsolete.
Mostly, yeah.
Sometimes it’s better to “cut it close,” with (for instance) a 27B model that’s nearly OOMing your VRAM fully offloaded, but you know will be fine in regular use without too many programs open.
In my case, with MiMo 2.5, it fills both my CPU and GPU RAM rather completely, so it’s best to set a static value so I don’t swap CPU RAM, and don’t OOM on the GPU either.
Try qwen3.6-35b-a3b with a lightweight harness like pi.dev
Having it be able to run commands and try to compile or run the code and see the output helps especially on the "doesn't compile" part of things
Yeah - I've been playing around more with the Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B-Instruct MoE model and it's still quite... Meh. I've been using llama.cpp and I've tried a bunch of tuning. It works and performs well enough (15t/s) but the output is just garbage. I can do some simple coding but I'm finding I'm fighting with it more than if I just wrote the code myself. Maybe I just have standards that are too high. Claude Opus 3.7 is just in an entirely different league...
When you run it, do you use unsloth's recommended settings for coding?
https://unsloth.ai/docs/models/qwen3.6
Also have preserve thinking on, it helps it stay consistent in multi turn work.
Which model version you're using can also affect results, usually unsloth's ones are good.
With all that said, it's of course a small model so it's not a super coder. The 27b is better (I'd guess 25-35% better), but of course still a small model so..
So it'll maybe not be good enough still, but should give it the chance to let it do the best it can :)
So - I setup that model according to the docs and gave it this prompt:
Write me a highly optimized n-queens solver in go. It should take advantage of parallelism (what little there is) and output only the solution and how long it took.
After 10 minutes it gave me code that didn't compile.
It took another 3 mins to fix the compile error and the output is not correct.
As I said - LLMs on 8Gig VRAM just aren't worth it.
I currently run Qwen3.6-27b on llama.cpp and use it via openwebui. Mostly, I use it for web research via tavily, to a lesser extent for coding and interactively learning about things that are new to me but common in training data (such as basic math or ML concepts).
Running decencored Qwen3.6-27b and a 9b Gemma for RAG and scrapes on Ollama with a mostly vibe coded discord bot. Just got it to run tools and scrape and post news on a schedule. The first model I can run locally that's smart enough to be useful. May give Jan a try for the back end after reading that other guys rant.
Mostly use it for stupid questions I could have googled and to brag to friends.
I ran through lmstudio because it really eazy, I ran some kind of qwen 3.6 27b imatrix neo code DI, it is the best local model for coding I tried, I think it can be better than some cloud model
Yes, llama-swap and I use it for home assistant text-gen notifications, basic coding tasks, etc
If anyone here self-hosts definitely check out llama-swap as it has some nifty features for hotswapping LLMs, image generation models and voice models.
Running qwen3.6 27b through llama.cpp.
It's about as capable as sonnet 3.5.
I use it for light scripting, but real coding is done by cloud models.
I'm also using it as the brain for my Hermes agent. It sends me digests of news, subreddits, chats that I'd like to read but don't have time for. It does a great job researching things on the web for me, too.
No. I still have no use for it and everything I use is automated without at a far lower footprint.
Partially. I started with hosting my own llama3.2 + granite4 models using Ollama for my Home Assistant smart home and for general chat with OpenWebUI. I also run whisper for speech-to-text locally on my 1080 Ti GPU. I like the privacy and ownership of my self-hosted models, but I started to run into limitations with the small weights. So I built some tools that allow me to selectively route traffic to larger models hosted on DeepInfra depending on my need. For example, to GLM/Kimi models for code reviews or for my custom harnesses or harder problems.
I hosted Qwen 3.5 9b uncensored on my site at https://masland.tech/ for a while. I didn't really use it and no one else used it so I took it down. These days I'm spending most of my time finding uses for AI and accessibility. One of the next things I'm planning is a video to text reasoning system, primarily for the purpose of grading used electronic devices.
I recently gave it a try with qwen3.5 and deepseek coder v2. I have a RTX3090 and these are the largest models that can run comfortably on it.
Conclusion, they are both fucking useless. Free tier claude runs circles.
If you just pulled the default version of qwen3.5 from ollama's repo you downloaded a mediocre one that only uses ~6GB.
Check ollama show qwen3.5 and see if you get something like this in the result:
Model
architecture qwen35
parameters 9.7B
context length 262144
embedding length 4096
quantization Q4_K_M
This is the default version I got when I first tried using ollama without any experience. It worked, but it's a heavily quantized, lower parameter version of the model -- i.e. it's pretty dumb -- compared to what you can actually run on your hardware.
Did you serve them with ollama?
It’s basically broken, if you did. Try the same models over API, and you’ll see what I mean.
Is there an alternative to ollama? The point was to run something locally.
https://sleepingrobots.com/dreams/stop-using-ollama/
And that’s not even all of it. Basically they break models in many ways, and they’re slimey Tech Bros.
LM Studio is better, and easy.
If you’re on Nvidia, and want to run optimally, I would use the ik_llama.cpp fork. On AMD, regular llama.cpp. On a Mac, use an MLX runner (Like LM Studio) with an MLX quant (ideally an MLX-DWQ quant).
It’s all pretty technical, and… thats kinda the point. LLMs are just too performance sensitive and too finicky to not have a grasp of how they work. There is no "easy button" to run them without bad results, there can't be.
But if you don’t have time for that and just want to see if it’s worth it, I’d suggest self hosing your own UI, and trying the dirt cheap APIs of models you can theoretically run on your setup. This will give you a “best case” taste of what they’re capable of.
Oh, and I just saw you have a 3090.
To get more specific, you can actually run way better models than Qwen 3.5 and Deepseek coder (both of which are very obsolete now). The best that's practical depends on how much CPU RAM you have, but at the minimum you can do Qwen 3.6 27B, with a more optimal quant like ones here: https://huggingface.co/ubergarm/Qwen3.6-27B-GGUF/tree/main
Or Gemma 31B QAT: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-31B-it-qat-GGUF
If you have 128GB CPU RAM, I can upload my custom MiMo 2.5 quant. That should "beat" the cheapest Claude, give or take.
If you have 64GB, I'd suggest a quantization of Step 3.7.
If you have 32GB or 48, I'm not sure. I'd need to look if any "small" MoE is actually better than Qwen 27B now.
Hell naw my homelab is already sucking way too much power and running too hot.
I'm using anythingllm. It's quite easy to setup and use. I'm impressed of the perf on comodity hardware.
No I don't. Unforunetly using Claude (asking myself everyday why tf cuz I don't do crazy shit) but trying to move on to LumoAI even meaby will buy a premium version to check this out formyself.
I do, I use ollama. I mostly just tinker, but I use with with home assistant for a quasi Alexa like experience with the voice assistant, I use it for summarizing some YouTube transcripts in too lazy to read/watch, and I've tried to see how capable it is with coding.
Can you elaborate on what you are using exactly with home assistant ? And is English your primary language in that context ?
Trying to do something similar, English not primary and its a bit... Harder than it seems. Can't figure out if it is because I'm not using English or something else. (3060 12GB BTW)
English is my primary, so that does make it easier. I use it for general conversion things, like asking it questions about the Titanic or making up a new story or something. It doesn't work as well as I'd like yet, but like I said, it's just an other thing for me to mess around with and change.
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