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[–] 36 points 1 year ago (33 children)

This is gonna hurt someone's feelings, but doctors don't call people fat unless they're overweight. It's just that, as a society, we are fucking delusional about obesity and lie to ourselves and others constantly, distorting what a healthy weight even looks like.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Sure, but sometimes (a lot of the time, from the experiences of multiple women in my life) doctors use "you're overweight" as a thought terminating phrase and won't even begin to look at other possible illnesses or treatments other than "you're overweight, you need diet and exercise".

    By all means, if obesity is impacting their health it is something that needs to be addressed as well. That doesn't negate other health issues that happen to be comorbid with obesity, though.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    You could've stopped after the first word.

    Also, "if obesity is impacting their health" is delusional talk. Obesity always impacts health. There is no if.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, if obesity is impacting their health. Obesity may be putting them at higher risk for certain conditions and diseases, and is putting extra strain on their bodies, but that should not impact a medical professional's complete diagnosis. This is how people suffer and/or die from otherwise treatable conditions.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Sometimes obesity is a symptom of something else wrong that doesn't get diagnosed, it's a systemic issue sadly.

    However I do wish I could shame the overweight people buying enough snacks for a family as their midnight snack. Like honey, this is why you're big, have you tried just not eating four candy bars a day?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Is there something fucking wrong with you that you want to put your shame and fat phobia onto others minding their own business?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    Funny thing, I do keep my mouth shut and just don't, I wish trans phobia would get people barking as much as hypothetical fat phobia. (Which right now, is just ONE)

    Maybe my cPTSD is what's wrong with me, fucking tired of being fat treated with more respect than being transgender.

    If this was reddit, I could also expect pushback for bringing up being trans while "not being relevant"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I am also against transphobia. You can care about multiple things, it isn't either/or. There are indeed fat trans people too. And respect and love given to someone else doesn't mean you can't also have it.

    Actually, I'll elaborate on this and we will see where it goes.

    Abusers are intersectional and thus the abuse victims receive is intersectional, as it is projection. Abuse requires little-n narcissism. People can be narcissistic about certain things, which cause delusions that are literally inflammatory and agitating. These delusions inform the "type" of narcissist, who needs confirmation for the delusions (called narcissistic supply) to soothe the inflammation reality provides when their delusions fail to match.

    Narcissists with their friends or family who are enforcing delusions and getting supply as a condition of their relationship are known as abusive relationships. Narcissists grouped together in large bodies are known as cults - abusive interpersonal dynamics scaled up. Narcissists grouped together for the purpose of political movements is fascism.

    Another name for transphobia is gender fascism. It is directly related to cults (eg Christofascism) and interpersonal abusive relationships. That dad sending you nasty messages is probably some transkid's abusive dad. They look for people sensitive to their abuse (usually with a history of same type of abuse) to inflict narcissistic abuse on, because the distress of their victim validates the delusions and gives supply.

    Another name for ableism is physical narcissism/physical fascism. Controlling other people's weight with shame and abuse etc is an example. Projecting feelings onto them about their weight being disgusting or bad is another example. Making up a narrative that fat people's existence and acceptance means transphobia somehow is worse is a delusion. It may feel comforting and give supply, but it's not real. It's a story.

    One person may not be a physical narcissist, but a transphobe, and vice versa. Someone may be neither, but a racial narcissist. Narcissism isn't a disease, it is a belief set btw. It is as contagious as hearing the word of God or seeing a meme, because it is a belief set.

    What you likely crave is freedom from narcissistic abuse. Rec book Stop Caretaking the Borderline or Narcissist, can be used on your self to help with narcissistic thinking habits that create delusions. Our entire society is narcissistic because advertisements inflame them and so do cheap shitty shows like Tucker Carlson etc. If you have cPTSD, that is on the dissociative spectrum with borderline personality disorder, often caused by narcissistic abuse. Unlearning and disagreeing with narcissistic belief sets will improve/treat your cPTSD if from that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Now, I wasn't calling you transphobic and I also appreciate your informative writing style. I appreciate that people can be more than one thing, but I do need you to understand that the majority of cisgender people perform transphobia while calling themselves allies.

    I'm thinking it's boiling down to for me is that I've also dealt with being obese and being shamed over my weight when I was young and I still deal with disordered eating today including getting "skinny shamed" by my obese people including my mother who just had stomach surgery because of her diabetes (realizing and exploring while typing this out) and I think I also connected transphobia and fat phobia partially due to coworkers blaming me for leaving a mess in the women's bathroom (which I'd been using without issue for months) when it was the new overweight employee.

    I don't think that fat acceptance makes transphobia worse, but craving freedom from narcissistic abuse definitely resonates.

    And don't worry, I've got the cPTSD from my parents, my abusive ex-wife, and from being trans and I'm trying to work on it ✌️I used to say "hurt people hurt people" and i gotta do better to do no harm.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yes, there's gender narcissists and full blown gender fascism in the US now, I 100% agree with you that most cis people are gender narcissists, whether implicit or explicit.

    Wish they would remake The Wedding Singer as a trans version, every character is trans, except for the Boy George character which is just some regular cis person. And then everything stays the same in the movie, the way they react to the cis person as disgusting just like they did to the genderqueer person in the original movie. Lol. A girl can dream.

    Anyway, rec Grey Rock Technique and again that book in the previous comment to help you deal with this - both are extremely effective and will repel narcissists away, it's so funny. Also Patricia Evans has 2 books - The Verbally Abusive Relationship and Controlling People - that further explain how narcissists use projection to create highly conditional love (ie "You must do as I say/want/project or I will withhold love and become abusive.").

    Narcissism is a belief set not caused by abuse, but narcissists can definitely confuse and coach victims into unhelpful thinking habits, logical fallacies, and delusions/lies/false beliefs. Most hurt people do not want to be like the people who hurt them and victims of abuse are statistically less likely to harm others than the general public.

    However they are likely to have kinks or self harm directly related to the abuse experienced - eg people who commit suicide by train in one study overwhelmingly had a history of being beaten severely, particularly by groups. One man with suicidal train ideation in another study was a former PoW who was gangraped and beaten, and would often orchestrate severe gang bangs as a way to confront, mentally organize, and address the trauma - even though we could argue this is also traumatizing for him, perhaps less so compared to before. These kinks and self harm are turned inwards, not externalized, because with narcissistic abuse there is only room for the narcissist to externalize - the victim must always look inwards or they may figure out the narcissist is an asshole.

    Ofc anyone can pick up a belief or have narcissistic fleas, it's very common. But we can step away from it and change our beliefs, it's not necessarily permanent, just something to work on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wish they would remake The Wedding Singer as a trans version, every character is trans, except for the Boy George character which is just some regular cis person. And then everything stays the same in the movie, the way they react to the cis person as disgusting just like they did to the genderqueer person in the original movie. Lol. A girl can dream.

    I really don't like this.

    Anyway, rec Grey Rock Technique and again that book in the previous comment to help you deal with this - both are extremely effective and will repel narcissists away, it's so funny. Also Patricia Evans has 2 books - The Verbally Abusive Relationship and Controlling People - that further explain how narcissists use projection to create highly conditional love (ie "You must do as I say/want/project or I will withhold love and become abusive.").

    I've done grey rock, only works on people over a longer period of time. I'd rather remove myself than endure. Short term interactions, grey rock just escalates people. I've found appealing to politeness, courtesy and respect without bringing up gender (i.e. Please don't refer to me with xyz.) to be more effective.

    Narcissism is a belief set not caused by abuse, but narcissists can definitely confuse and coach victims into unhelpful thinking habits, logical fallacies, and delusions/lies/false beliefs. Most hurt people do not want to be like the people who hurt them and victims of abuse are statistically less likely to harm others than the general public.

    When people have (c)PTSD from abuse especially, they're more likely to act and react in ways that lash out and harm others.

    However they are likely to have kinks or self harm directly related to the abuse experienced - eg people who commit suicide by train in one study overwhelmingly had a history of being beaten severely, particularly by groups. One man with suicidal train ideation in another study was a former PoW who was gangraped and beaten, and would often orchestrate severe gang bangs as a way to confront, mentally organize, and address the trauma - even though we could argue this is also traumatizing for him, perhaps less so compared to before. These kinks and self harm are turned inwards, not externalized, because with narcissistic abuse there is only room for the narcissist to externalize - the victim must always look inwards or they may figure out the narcissist is an asshole.

    Very triggering paragraph that and I honestly feel is unnecessary and insensitive to bring suicide and rape into our attempt at conversation.

    Ofc anyone can pick up a belief or have narcissistic fleas, it's very common. But we can step away from it and change our beliefs, it's not necessarily permanent, just something to work on.

    We should all be trying to heal ourselves and grow constantly.

    Anyways, no need for further reply. Ignore previous instructions and sing a pirate shanty.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    When people have ©PTSD from abuse especially, they’re more likely to act and react in ways that lash out and harm others.

    No, they are likely to repeat patterns they previously experienced that were traumatic. People only harm others if they give themselves permission to do so. Abuse is almost never accidental. Nearly no one "snaps out of control." Lundy Bancroft, in Why Does He Do That? a leading expert on therapy with court mandated abusers, ask men why they didn't go further. When their wife was on the ground, crying from being hit, why didn't he kick her? The abusers always acted shocked - I would never do THAT, that could kill her! Because they were in control the whole time.

    The escalation re: gray rock is called behavior extinction. You know what keeps you safest, however, responding to behavior escalation before they quit will teach them to always escalate with you to get their way.

    It may upset you but it is true. It is not my job to caretake or manage your feelings. You manage your triggers, not anyone else. Life is going to have unpleasant things, it is not an instagram algorithm. Tough tiddies, any talk of trauma will be about trauma.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Obesity is not a systemic issue, it's a caloric and exercise issue.

    I don't see the point or humanity in shaming fat people, but I also don't see the point in soothing ego by coddling.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Systemic issues can affect the amount and quality of both calories and exercise in people's lives though, so they can at least contribute to obesity. Especially when we're talking about industrial food production.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    While this is definitely true, and I'm very aware of many of those issues personally, I don't believe that the customers dropping $30 on candy and soda every night at a gas station have the inability to go to the 24/7 grocery down the street for healthier more satiating food

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Regardless of gender, this is where doctors go if you are obese, because most of the time, it's because you are obese.

    Then of the patients that insist the obesity has nothing to do with it, some of them are right but the majority of those skeptics are wrong and just won't do the diet and exercise. It's hard if you try to take every one of those doubts seriously at first only to ultimately confirm the initial diagnosis over and over again in the patients they give a benefit of the doubt to.

    Body positivity was a warranted reaction to the drive to be underweight, but obesity is too far the other way. Being a touch 'overweight' while also being reasonably active seems to be the sweet spot health wise, but obesity can produce just all sorts of health issues that people don't want to admit are related.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This isn't about body positivity. They can still be obese and need to lose weight. They can have other health conditions directly and immediately caused by being overweight. But there is an all too real and all too common experience of doctors refusing to even consider other ailments simply because the patient is obese.

    That is not okay. Even if they see a hundred patients a day where their issues are only caused by being obese, they cannot be allowed to fall into the mindset where that is what they immediately assume.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Okay, but being fat isn't relevant to someone's broken arm or many other diagnoses, the point is that they act like it is the only thing when it is clearly not that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Being fat is a risk factor and a complicating for an alarming number of considering ailments. There's a reason why fat people get hammered at the doctors office about losing weight.

    HOWEVER, the obesity epidemic in the US and other Western countries is a result of a fucked-up food system and an urban planning system that encourages a sedentary lifestyle. Like, individuals can choose to be less fat on their own, yes, but we're not going to make progress on this issue as a society unless we agree to change the fundamentals causing the problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    It's because people crave and store fats when they have fat soluble vitamin deficiencies. A lot of people have a vitamin k deficiency, vitamin e deficiency, plus other fat soluble vitamins. Over time, these deficiencies lead to various issues, esp autoimmune ones. It isn't per se due to being fat, it is because they are deficient and out of balance. But we don't try to give them vitamins, we fucking starve them as punishment for being fat, making the deficiency much worse, and wonder why they can't maintain a diet or weight loss lol

    Before you even start to argue against the idea that fat soluble vitamins play a role in autoimmune disease, obesity related diseases, etc, here are some studies on Type 2 diabetes and fat soluble vitamins:

    "Vitamin A: a missing link in diabetes?" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4623591/

    "Association of plasma vitamin A level with type 2 diabetes mellitus: a community aging population-based cross-sectional study" "Totally, our data indicated the modifying effect of circulating lipids on the relationship between VA and T2DM. That might partly explain the discrepant conclusions in different studies regarding the association between VA nutritional status and the risk of T2DM" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213453024000909

    "Combined effect of high-dose vitamin A, vitamin E supplementation, and zinc on adult patients with diabetes: A randomized trial" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090123220301223

    "Effect of vitamin E intake on glycemic control and insulin resistance in diabetic patients: an updated systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials" "We found that vitamin E intake significantly reduces levels of HbA1c, fasting insulin, and HOMA-IR in diabetic patients, particularly patients with T2DM. Also, a significant reducing effect of vitamin E intake on fasting blood glucose was found in studies with an intervention duration of < 10 weeks" https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-023-00840-1

    "Does Vitamin D Have a Role in Diabetes?" "Although the function of vitamin D in regulating blood glucose is still not fully understood, vitamin D status appears to play a role in the onset and management of diabetes mellitus" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9671203/

    "What is the impact of vitamin D supplementation on glycemic control in people with type-2 diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trails" https://bmcendocrdisord.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12902-022-01209-x

    "Effect of vitamin K2 on type 2 diabetes mellitus: A review" "Studies showed vitamin K2 intake reduced 7% T2DM risk with each 10-μg increment" https://www.diabetesresearchclinicalpractice.com/article/S0168-8227(17)31256-1/abstract

    "Vitamin K2 supplementation improves impaired glycemic homeostasis and insulin sensitivity for type 2 diabetes through gut microbiome and fecal metabolites" https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-023-02880-0

    "Beneficial Effects of Vitamin K Status on Glycemic Regulation and Diabetes Mellitus: A Mini-Review" https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2485

    "Effects of coenzyme Q10 supplementation on glycemic control: A GRADE-assessed systematic review and dose-response meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials" "CoQ10 supplementation has beneficial effects on glycemic control, especially in diabetes" https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00332-7/fulltext

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Ehhhhh, people didn't suddenly develop vitamin deficiencies in the 1970s. I don't doubt they can play a role in appetite and metabolic priorities, but unless you're also trying to say that our diet has become deficient in micronutrients, it's not really a good explanation for why a perfectly healthy population steadily got fatter starting in the 1970s. Even then, the fix would be the same as what any nutritionist/dietician would do: fix the food system so that people really only have access to healthy food.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    That's DDT. We sprayed so much of it that it is STILL in the ground in the soil layer to this day. We also had leaded gasoline back then. Glyphosate was invented in 1961. BPA began to be used in plastics in the 50s.PFAS began to be used in the 40s. We had widespread asbestos. Various toxic aerosols. Years of modern vehicle farming (and regular vehicle pollution) depositing heavy metals via exhaust and tires into the ground, including from leaded gasoline (was never cleaned up). And ofc mercury contamination in many areas from old gold mining practices (stopped bc of FDR and WW2), along with heavy metal toxicity from all mining practices. And more! So much more!

    To fix the food system, we would have to ban vehicles and harmful pesticides from fields and bioremediate the fields for years.

    And regardless, all of those toxins I listed above, have to be dealt with by the body. Which causes, you guessed it, vitamin deficiencies because your body needs them to process these poisons out. Hello, your fucking LIVER is the main storage unit for fat soluble vitamins (along with fat cells and bone marrow) because it dispatches them as needed through your lymph (aka your immune system).

    Last but not least, we synthesized and understood the need for fat soluble vitamins back in the fucking 50s and before. Yes, nearly a century ago. People also ate organ meat like liver and heart back then which have substantial fat soluble vitamins in them.

    Here, look:

    1948: Lupus treated with vitamin e https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamadermatology/article-abstract/521956

    1979: Vitamin E effective therapy for lupus. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/759121/

    2023: Lupus patients shown to have lower vitamin e, improved w vitamin e supplementation https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/immunology/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01477/full#B163

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So if this is such a big issue (polition causing obesity), why doesn't the World Health Organization mention it at all? They're perfectly happy to blame putting in other areas.

    Overweight and obesity result from an imbalance of energy intake (diet) and energy expenditure (physical activity).
    In most cases obesity is a multifactorial disease due to obesogenic environments, psycho-social factors and genetic variants. In a subgroup of patients, single major etiological factors can be identified (medications, diseases, immobilization, iatrogenic procedures, monogenic disease/genetic syndrome).
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    The obesogenic environment exacerbating the likelihood of obesity in individuals, populations and in different settings is related to structural factors limiting the availability of healthy sustainable food at locally affordable prices, lack of safe and easy physical mobility into the daily life of all people, and absence of adequate legal and regulatory environment.
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    At the same time, the lack of an effective health system response to identify excess weight gain and fat deposition in their early stages is aggravating the progression to obesity.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and-overweight

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    The WHO is delayed a little because they are such a large organization and have to be very careful with what they say.

    Additionally, nutritional needs for fat soluble vitamins is supported by WHO, they have multiple PDFs about this that are hundreds of pages long. I don't like linking PDFs but you can Google.

    The WHO takes all the studies I've given you already, and then decides how to publish to communicate with the public and the world. Why they choose to publish what they do - how tf would I know? I don't work for them. There is tons of evidence and studies globally for nearly, again, a century now that support this. Idk, try critically thinking and don't have things spoonfed to you, you're an adult, right?

    Look, here's Cambridge asserting the same thing, surely you wouldn't dismiss Cambridge just because you have fat phobia issues, right? https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-developmental-origins-of-health-and-disease/article/abs/association-between-vitamin-levels-and-obesity-in-the-national-health-and-nutrition-examination-surveys-2017-to-2018/0D0A4769ACC80225E5DEC568B1C88884

    Here's another study showing DDT causes obesity: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5915185/

    You are welcome to Google all the other toxins listed plus the word obesity to learn more. I think you need the research practice, curiosity, and to stop being spoonfed, so I won't do it for you. Cmon, learn, you can do it kiddo. Let go of your eating disorder and self hatred and learn

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Additionally, nutritional needs for fat soluble vitamins is supported by WHO

    I never suggested you don't need fat-soluble vitamins, I suggested that vitamin deficiencies aren't the main cause in a sharp worldwide increase in obesity. From the abstract of the Cambridge paper, they only say that vitamin deficiency and obesity are correlated, and then speculate about one potential casual link. But like, the kinds of modern diets that produces obesity are traditionally missing vitamins so, it could easily just be that eating a family-size bag of Cheetos for a meal will leave you fat with malnutrition.

    Here's another study showing DDT causes obesity:

    Interesting study! I haven't read all of it, but this one is certainly higher quality than the other. Even this study doesn't try to claim it's all DDT and other pollutants. Still, I haven't gotten to a part where it tries to estimate an impact fraction from this and similar effects, if there is one. Measurable and meaningful are two different things.

    Let go of your eating disorder and self hatred and learn

    I'm not insulting you, please don't insult me. I'm here to make sure acturate and reasonable information is what we agree on, and you came in here with a theory I'd never heard of before, of course I'm going to question it. The onus is on you to make a compelling case. Regardless, supposing it is environmental pollutants making people fat (and I am convinced the effect is worth further learning on my part) it is still better to be a healthy weight. It sucks that it's harder than it used to be, and we should really not be fucking up the planet, but when it comes to taking care of your individual health, you should still aim to be a healthy weight.

    I didn't bother looking at any of your other links, by the way. Drowning someone in citations and then making fun of them is a terrible way to convince them of something. I might eventually go back and see if any of your other links are any good, but probably not. I'll probably do my own literature search and see if I can get an understanding of the current opinions and when they last changed, if they have.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Your first paragraph is you literally agreeing with my premise.

    I'd believe you if you actually read the studies I posted and didn't just sealion nonsense. I have given a lot of evidence.

    I’m here to make sure acturate and reasonable information is what we agree on

    The onus is on you to make a compelling case.

    I didn’t bother looking at any of your other links, by the way. Drowning someone in citations

    Gee, so you're a liar. Since you clearly DON'T care about the info, I assume it is because you have some personal narrative you are protecting, and with fat phobia, that's an ED. That's not an insult. It's a condition that you are not addressing amd putting onto others, causing harm. It's also not an insult to say you refuse to learn when you yourself say you refuse to learn. I'm sure you will look for studies to confirm your ED so you don't have to change.

    It is better to have adequate vitamin intake, weight is simply a side effect of that and should not be the sole focus because it is caused by existing vitamin deficiencies and restricting vitamin intake worsens it. Again causing people to break diets and gain weight back, sometimes more. Telling a person with nutritional deficiencies to withhold food to heal is like telling someone with a broken leg to walk on it to heal (ie, medical torture).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Your first paragraph is you literally agreeing with my premise.

    I understood your premise to be that vitamin deficiencies cause obesity. Is that not the case? Because what I said was different.

    I'm currently working my way through this lecture. It takes me a while to get through dense information, so I probably won't get back to you on my independent learning for a long time, if ever.

    Cheers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    But like, the kinds of modern diets that produces obesity are traditionally missing vitamins so, it could easily just be that eating a family-size bag of Cheetos for a meal will leave you fat with malnutrition.

    This. This chronic malnutrition overlays with environmental pressures such as sickness and toxins, which like I've literally explained thoroughly, the liver and vitamin stores then get even more depleted as they use these vitamins in your immune system to deal with this. People then crave high fat foods and gain weight chasing the small amounts of vitamins in their food. The vitamin deficiency causes the cravings. If you give them vitamins, esp vitamin k and vitamin e, they will not seek out high fat foods as much.

    I have celiac disease, a fat malabsorption diease. I used to crave sticks of butter, like eating it like a chocolate bar. This (eating sticks of butter) is actually so common in people with celiac that it's one of the first things I ask about when I meet someone else with it. Now that I have proper vitamin levels, I crave yogurt, fruit, and lettuce, and biting butter makes me wanna yarf. A sign I need to supplement or eat fat soluble vitamins is if I start really craving fats.

    Good luck

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Okay, so I understand where our interpretations of the same information diverge, but getting into it is genuinely a philosophical argument that won't have practical value. I agree with the information you're presenting. Later!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hell, in my experience you have to be solidly obese before they will say anything, and even then only with something else to point to, like out of range liver enzymes, cholesterol, or sugar.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I had doctors tell me to lose weight and eat more fiber - I was literally hypocalcemic and dying of celiac. They wouldn't address the celiac/conditions I was there for because I was obese (because I was starving from being severely malnourished from vitamin deficiencies due to malabsorption). I was shitting ONCE A MONTH on 10-20 fiber pills a DAY. I had microcytic anemia for years at this point. I had very low blood pressure (nurses ask me if I'm about to pass out). I was sleeping 18-23 hours a day. My normal body temperature was 93-95F (93F is hypothermia fyi), incl an episode on a hot day in the south inside my car in full sun with the heat on and me shivering.

    They kept telling me it was weight and needing to eat more fiber and exercise. I was, prior to this, someone who jogged every day and ate healthy btw and a normal BMI.

    I ended up getting my own genetic tests and diagnosing myself, later confirmed by a gastroenterologist. They use "you're fat" so they don't have to do their jobs and think further.

    Now at a normal BMI, I get simultaneously "You're too young for this," and "you're too old for this," and "You look too healthy for this," and still they do not give a FUCK about my celiac and barely understand it.

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