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[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

Additionally, nutritional needs for fat soluble vitamins is supported by WHO

I never suggested you don't need fat-soluble vitamins, I suggested that vitamin deficiencies aren't the main cause in a sharp worldwide increase in obesity. From the abstract of the Cambridge paper, they only say that vitamin deficiency and obesity are correlated, and then speculate about one potential casual link. But like, the kinds of modern diets that produces obesity are traditionally missing vitamins so, it could easily just be that eating a family-size bag of Cheetos for a meal will leave you fat with malnutrition.

Here's another study showing DDT causes obesity:

Interesting study! I haven't read all of it, but this one is certainly higher quality than the other. Even this study doesn't try to claim it's all DDT and other pollutants. Still, I haven't gotten to a part where it tries to estimate an impact fraction from this and similar effects, if there is one. Measurable and meaningful are two different things.

Let go of your eating disorder and self hatred and learn

I'm not insulting you, please don't insult me. I'm here to make sure acturate and reasonable information is what we agree on, and you came in here with a theory I'd never heard of before, of course I'm going to question it. The onus is on you to make a compelling case. Regardless, supposing it is environmental pollutants making people fat (and I am convinced the effect is worth further learning on my part) it is still better to be a healthy weight. It sucks that it's harder than it used to be, and we should really not be fucking up the planet, but when it comes to taking care of your individual health, you should still aim to be a healthy weight.

I didn't bother looking at any of your other links, by the way. Drowning someone in citations and then making fun of them is a terrible way to convince them of something. I might eventually go back and see if any of your other links are any good, but probably not. I'll probably do my own literature search and see if I can get an understanding of the current opinions and when they last changed, if they have.

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Your first paragraph is you literally agreeing with my premise.

I'd believe you if you actually read the studies I posted and didn't just sealion nonsense. I have given a lot of evidence.

I’m here to make sure acturate and reasonable information is what we agree on

The onus is on you to make a compelling case.

I didn’t bother looking at any of your other links, by the way. Drowning someone in citations

Gee, so you're a liar. Since you clearly DON'T care about the info, I assume it is because you have some personal narrative you are protecting, and with fat phobia, that's an ED. That's not an insult. It's a condition that you are not addressing amd putting onto others, causing harm. It's also not an insult to say you refuse to learn when you yourself say you refuse to learn. I'm sure you will look for studies to confirm your ED so you don't have to change.

It is better to have adequate vitamin intake, weight is simply a side effect of that and should not be the sole focus because it is caused by existing vitamin deficiencies and restricting vitamin intake worsens it. Again causing people to break diets and gain weight back, sometimes more. Telling a person with nutritional deficiencies to withhold food to heal is like telling someone with a broken leg to walk on it to heal (ie, medical torture).

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[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

Your first paragraph is you literally agreeing with my premise.

I understood your premise to be that vitamin deficiencies cause obesity. Is that not the case? Because what I said was different.

I'm currently working my way through this lecture. It takes me a while to get through dense information, so I probably won't get back to you on my independent learning for a long time, if ever.

Cheers.

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

But like, the kinds of modern diets that produces obesity are traditionally missing vitamins so, it could easily just be that eating a family-size bag of Cheetos for a meal will leave you fat with malnutrition.

This. This chronic malnutrition overlays with environmental pressures such as sickness and toxins, which like I've literally explained thoroughly, the liver and vitamin stores then get even more depleted as they use these vitamins in your immune system to deal with this. People then crave high fat foods and gain weight chasing the small amounts of vitamins in their food. The vitamin deficiency causes the cravings. If you give them vitamins, esp vitamin k and vitamin e, they will not seek out high fat foods as much.

I have celiac disease, a fat malabsorption diease. I used to crave sticks of butter, like eating it like a chocolate bar. This (eating sticks of butter) is actually so common in people with celiac that it's one of the first things I ask about when I meet someone else with it. Now that I have proper vitamin levels, I crave yogurt, fruit, and lettuce, and biting butter makes me wanna yarf. A sign I need to supplement or eat fat soluble vitamins is if I start really craving fats.

Good luck

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[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago

Okay, so I understand where our interpretations of the same information diverge, but getting into it is genuinely a philosophical argument that won't have practical value. I agree with the information you're presenting. Later!

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