You'd think that but have a look at hexbear's midterms containment thread. The way they speak about it internally is different. They are very happy the Republicans lost, they jsut don't care that it's the democrats who won.

I swear to god the double trauma of COVID and Trump during formative periods of some peoples’ lives made it pathologically impossible for them to take a win for even a day or two. That’s how you burn the fuck out. Don’t rest on your laurels, but making people feel like nothing is ever enough is how you get them to stop showing up.

As a Canadian, I'm seeing too many people thinking everything can now immediately go back to "normal". None of the actual work has started yet.

Yes, absolutely celebrate this, but if you act like things are "over" you need a reality check. Americans voted against Trump in 2020, and then elected him again after seeing what he did the first time.

So yes, this is absolutely a great first step, but it needs to be followed with criminals being held accountable and Americans not voting the other way again in 2 or 4 years. Considering Democratic leaders are already talking about not holding criminals accountable it seems prudent to splash some water on people acting like this is over and they can stop pushing.

I was spending my time volunteering for Democrats campaigns, and I’m still barely enthused with the result.

It’s a very small step forward in a possibility of a government that works for its people. But anyone smart on here knows that goes much more fine-grained than the color maps.

(Red is obvious. But blue? Blue is still many shades of gray)

They probably wanted progressive wing to collapse before getting back in the seat. Now people have a reference point to compare them to and hopefully democrats that can't live up to that will get rooted out instead.

I’m old enough to remember Blue Waves hitting the rocks of Decorum and Civility and doing fuck all. I’m not getting my hopes up ever again.

As "one of those people" you are talking about, we've been here before. Yes, it feels awesome to get such a decisive victory over the republicans. I've seen this before. Over and over again. The pendulum has swung back to the left. But, just because we voted in a bunch of Dems, hell even a bunch of Socialists, that doesn't mean they will, or even can, fix the most broken parts of this system. Democrats have enabled and even facilitated some of the worst aspects of what we're seeing right now from Trump and Republicans. I mean, you yourself even admit it: "I don’t have a lot of faith in democrats to actually get the shit done that they need to".

The difference is, we know what needs to be done. A really famous guy wrote about it over a 100 years ago. Having Blue majority didn't improve anybody's material conditions in the past. Why would it now? Yes, they're "less bad", but Dems are still pretty bad. What makes this time different?

I love the outcome of the election. It was a bloodbath. But I'm not deluding myself that wholesale change will ever come from national electeds. Defeatist? Maybe. I'm just tempering my expectations, even from DSA endorsed winners.

this post sums it up best imo. Prove me wrong. Prove all of us MLs and "tAnKiEs" wrong. Prove to us that voting can and does work, that we can materially improve people's situations without protest.

The tankies want Trump to win because they think that after he's destroyed the US, a socialist utopia will rise from the ashes.

With the way they're acting, you'd think that these dudes wanted Republicans to maintain control.

Oh believe me, they do. I've literally been told how much more awful Democrats are than Republicans. IIRC, the reasoning behind that was some vague shit about liberals watering down true leftism or something. Like, yeah, one side wants to establish a fascist totalitarian government and has literally set out to murdering foreigners and dissenters with ICE, but hey, your identity politics are more important.

They’ll tell you that they do. I’ve had some tell me that electoralism won’t bring about socialism and things have to get way worse before the people revolt.

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/james-carville-says-he-prefers-gop-win-midterms-because-dems-would-be-hostage-to-dsa-democratic-socialists-of-america