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[–] 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (83 children)

Dems supporting trans sports bans (and lockeroom bans and bathroom bans and other sex segregation) are supporting the exact same ideology that justify sending us to men's prisons. The idea is that we are too strong and manly and will r*pe and kill women if we are allowed to have freedom, so we need to be quarantined away with other men so that we get r*ped and murdered.

I'm not voting for my genocide. If the choice in 2028 is between a transphobe and a transphobe, I'll just kill myself.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Ok so trans people should be ok with the dems turning right on trans issues each cycle right?

    Keep pushing right conservatives! You got it!

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    One leads to the other. The exact same justifications exist for both - I am too strong and manly and disgusting to be trusted around women. They are rooted in the same ideology, that trans women are inherently dangerous and masculine and need quarantine.

    I'm not sticking around to be r*ped to death.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Rapists also use victim blaming a as tactic. Maybe you don’t want to do that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (10 children)

    I don't want to die please don't kill me I'll be good I don't want to die please please please things are finally looking kind of okay I don't want to die I don't want to die I tried so fucking hard and nothing good ever happens I don't want to die I don't want to die

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Your mask is slipping.

    Don't worry, if you force me to kill myself by nominating someone that supports my genocide, I'll make sure everyone can hear it. Bushnell did more to change voters' minds than every Democrat combined, and as a result changed the kinds of Democrats that are getting nominated. Opposition to the genocide in Gaza is now an 80/20 issue within the Democratic party.

    The martyr is immortal. That's worth a hell of a lot more than your vote.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    What part of "I’m not voting for my genocide." did you misread? Did you miss that part? I'll just kill myself, I won't vote.

    Not being allowed to play high school sports in your preferred gender isn’t death. It’s barely an inconvenience.

    As I already explained: the reason they don't want me playing in women's sports is because they believe I am a disgusting manly pervert that can't be trusted around women and so I need to be segregated and quarantined away for their protection.

    That is the exact same ideological justification for sending trans women to men's prisons. Exactly the same. Zero difference.

    Which means, if Democrats vote to codify me being a mutant untrustworthy abhuman freak, then when Republicans get back into power (and you know they will) they'll just take it one step further and I will be r*ped for the rest of my very short life.

    So, fuck it. Nothing to live for, everything gets worse forever, might as well die.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Do I deserve to be r*ped to death in men's prison. Oh cute you edited your comment now I look stupid

    The ideological justification is the same for both.

    Dems won't be in power forever either. They open the door to this shit for Republicans to codify it when they get reelected.

    Either Democrats support my existence as a woman or they support my genocide. No in between.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Trans kids should be able to play sports, but anyone that cares about trans kids should also do everything they can to realistically plausibly keep republicans out of power. This almost always means getting the dem elected. Vote in dem primaries and vote for Dems in the general unless you're in one of the rare areas that has a viable third party candidate.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (56 children)

    Ah yes because all Democrats are exactly the same, and all transphobia is the same level.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    her point wasn't that that all democrats are exactly the same. if the party does not enforce any consequences for supporting anti-trans policy then it tells you what the institution actually values regardless of what individual members say.

    the fact that a democrat pivoted to anti-trans positions after winning primaries and has not been punished for it only makes it harder to trust other democrats

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (51 children)

    No shit, but there are transphobic Democrats supporting the ideology of gender segregation and trans genocide. If one of those bluemaggots gets the 2028 nomination, I'm as good as dead already, I might as well just skip the painful and humiliating part.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    They aren’t the same, and at least one of them can be pressured into changing.

    weird, i just had a bunch of comrades get arrested for attempting to protest for a democrat to not comply with trump on trans kids.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

    Bluemaggots say things that help build the argument for my extermination because they're worthless fucking opportunist cowards that don't stand for anything. I'm sure, in their heart-of-hearts, they don't even care about trans issues one way or the other.

    However, that won't stop them from "reaching across the isle" to vote for it in a big bipartisan compromise to show how reasonable and moderate they are; they'll trade away my rights for idk canceling up to $20,000 in debt for Pell Grant recipients who open a business in a disadvantaged community and operate it for at least three years. Either we nominate a progressive or I die.

    Every single Democrat that supports any form of gender segregation supports sending me to men's prison.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    I already have hope for an out; we nominate a progressive.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    I said 2028 in my original comment, didn't I?

    Also I notice you used "ideal" as if not wanting to be r*ped and murdered in men's prison is idealistic. That's the bare fucking minimum. If you nominate a candidate that supports the ideology for my genocide, I'm not sticking around to see how it turns out.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    i sincerely hope that you never interact with another trans person again. we all deserve better than this.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    it is reasonable and compassionate to treat an oppressed minority with grace, even - especially - when they criticize their oppressors. being "accusatory and hostile" is a normal, expected reaction to lifelong persecution. putting extra effort into engaging compassionately is moral even if you disagree with them.

    it is reasonable to expect this from you.

    when you frame this - extending grace to an oppressed, suicidal woman - as "sexist," you are flattening gender relations into an imaginary "all lives matter"-esque concept where all genders exist under the same conditions. this is literally an anti-feminist dog whistle of men's rights activists.

    you should treat her better because society is biased against her and has instilled that bias into you. you are obligated to correct for it.

    this means you do not fucking tone-police the oppressed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    She attacked me

    no she didn't. you are having a conversation on the internet.

    She delusionally tried to lump me in with her oppressors just because I used the word “ideal,” for fuck’s sake!

    no she didn't. she said that you were framing a lack of transphobia as an ideal rather than a floor by using the word ideal.

    I used “ideal” as in “better than the alternative”

    no you didn't. you couldn't have. ideal doesn't mean that.

    I am really getting sick and tired of being libeled like this. I am the furthest thing from a goddamn MRA!

    no one called you an mra. i pointed out that you were using an mra dog whistle.

    You’re the one who brought [gender] into it.

    gender isn't some vampire that's only relevant to the conversation once someone invites it in, it is a societal force that we live within. it is always relevant. this is basic feminism.

    Self-defense is not tone-policing!

    this is not self defense because you are not being attacked. you are having a conversation on the internet.

    Do you realize that, by being incredibly accusatory and hostile to people who are trying to be your allies, you’re only making the worst outcome for yourself more likely? Don’t blame this shit on me!

    this is tone policing and victim blaming.

    attacked

    delusional

    abuse

    self-defense

    bully

    attacked

    it seems like you aren't differentiating between what someone says about your ideas and what they say about you. it also seems like you aren't differentiating between feeling attacked and being attacked.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    no one called you an mra. i pointed out that you were using an mra dog whistle.

    You can't use a dog whistle unless you know it is one. You didn't say "writing something that resembles a dog whistle," you said "using" it, which implies intent and is therefore an accusations of being in that group.

    it seems like you aren't differentiating between what someone says about your ideas and what they say about you.

    No, that's the entirety of what I'm doing. In reality, I was scrupulously careful only to address the argument, not the person, while you're insinuating all sorts of heinous lies about me. Fuck off with your DARVO bullshit!

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (27 children)

    Yeah, but when someone is trying to pressure dems into changing, people like you appear and cry that by pressuring them to change they're basically supporting republicans

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (25 children)

    i vote in primaries and municipal/midterm years but whatever you say, officer

    democrats are more likely to call the cops on me than appeal to me in any way.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    That view isn’t shared amongst the legions of people pictured in the OP who screech that voting for a Democrat under any circumstance is the exact same as voting for a Republican.

    that's cause it's a caricature constructed for the purpose of engagement baiting

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    it's literally a caricature though, just because you feel like it applies to everyone you talk to based on instance tribalism doesn't make it less of a caricature

    I strongly suspect you’re intentionally being obtuse to propagandize, as befitting of your home instance and likely political beliefs.

    you are projecting your own motivations, i'm just a girl in the world

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    you are so quick to stereotype i can see why you became a cop

    i'm an anarchist and toxic liberals crying about the instance i'm on does not give me incentive to change, i certainly don't want to hang out in places dominated by you guys catgirl-sorry

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    i show up because it's annoying having loudmouth liberals smugly talking shit without any pushback

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Strange to see an anarchist go to bat for tankies, let alone proclaim to vote, but it’s at least interesting.

    i have plenty of criticisms for MLs, but i am willing to work with them on shared goals; it's kind of the fundamentals of a coalition. the problem is i don't really have shared goals with liberals and whenever i've try to ask liberal politicians to advance anything i care about i get either ignored or hostility.

    showing up to vote every year is not the same as engaging in electoral politics. i have no patience for political campaigns, and i usually just protest vote anyways.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    but it seems like you’re letting rare anecdote drive your stereotyping into hostility towards a group - the exact thing you accused me of earlier.

    i promise you it's not rare, it's an ongoing phenomena. i literally just had comrades getting arrested by democrat politicians for protesting those politicians abandoning trans kids medically to protect institutions and placate trump.

    To me:

    1. Democrats don't want a boot on my neck

    2. Republicans want a Hitler-flavored boot on my neck

    3. Tankies want a Stalin-flavored boot on my neck

    this says more about you than anything else. democrats have had their boots on plenty of necks, just with more appealing branding. democrats built and operated the deportation machine before trump, have been bombing multiple countries continuously when in power, and out of power are arresting trans activists rather than opposing trump.

    saying that there's no boot requires a lot of selective vision or you're just the one wearing the boot.

    for me the boot is capitalism and its associated political economy and heirarchies.

    To me:

    1. Democrats want a boot on my neck, but with slightly slower and better managed extermination of undesirables

    2. Republicans want a boot on my neck, but with significantly faster extermination of undesirables.

    3. MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely, but we disagree on some details

    the choice for who i ally with seems obvious

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Loads of details left out of this, so I can’t really say if I would be For or Against those arrests, but your ideology as stated in this thread is predicated upon tankies never arresting protestors, which is… how to put it politely… incorrect.

    yes i had a feeling you would be sitting on the fence about this officer.

    'tankies' are in no position to arrest me, nor is the prospect of them doing so anything close to an immediate threat. meanwhile if i give you more details about what i get up to you or another liberal would probably try to have me arrested all the same.

    is as that other meme from a couple days ago expressed where you have a tally board with 50,000 tallies and one with 5.

    dawg godric is always vomiting out dishonestly framed garbage, idk why you take it seriously. the tally board framing flatters democrats harms by only counting visible acts of harm while ignoring the structural harm they maintain and enable. for example the deportation machine, the carceral state, the warmongering, the genocide funding, the preemptive compliance with trump. counting those as 5 tally marks would be laughable because that's the infrastructure of harm that makes the 50,000 possible.

    You simply are completely unaware of the practices of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and their friends.

    i have probably read orders of magnitude more from and about those guys than you have, but thank you for linking wikipedia to me doggirl-lol

    however many skulls you attribute to those fighting against capitalism, the pile created by capitalism dwarfs that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

    Okay so now that you’ve moved the goal-post from “There is zero despotism under M-L” to “Well, a little despotism is okay. We can exterminate certain people we disagree with,” you align with fascists more than you align with liberals (or anarchists, for that matter).

    i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes. you literally work/worked for the carceral state, you are in no position to accuse anyone else of being aligned with fascists.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

    i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes.

    Then why the hell say "MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely" when you are advocating for that very boot?

    Are you just hoping someone gullible reads what you're writing?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (6 children)
    i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes.
    

    Then why the hell say “MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely” when you are advocating for that very boot?

    as i said here, earlier in our correspondance

    for me the boot is capitalism and its associated political economy and hierarchies.

    please try to keep up

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    Fair enough, I must've missed your niche definition of "the boot" (AKA authoritarianism).

    Bizarre, but I guess if you're doing mental gymnastics your worldview can definitely make sense to you, much like The Ice Wall is perfectly logical to Flat Earthers.

    So in sum, you think that anti-capitalist authoritarianism literally is not authoritarianism. If that's the case, we have nothing further to discuss.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    it's not mental gymnastics, all definitions of authoritarianism have ideological assumptions baked in. i am opposed to capitalism. overthrowing capitalism is going to be authoritarian from the perspective of the capitalists. i am in favor of that.

    i am opposed to a dictatorship of capital, which is what both republicans and democrats are in favor of. that is liberal authoritarianism

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    it’s not mental gymnastics, all definitions of authoritarianism have ideological assumptions baked in

    They really don't, but go on.

    overthrowing capitalism is going to be authoritarian from the perspective of the capitalists.

    Not necessarily, but that is one method.

    i am opposed to a dictatorship of capital, which is what both republicans and democrats are in favor of. that is liberal authoritarianism

    Right, but you're for dictatorship of another flavor, ergo you are not an anarchist.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Right, but you're for dictatorship of another flavor, ergo you are not an anarchist.

    I am opposed to unjust and imposed hierarchies as an anarchist. Capitalists want to maintain and continue those hierarchies. A revolution which overturns their domination is authoritarian towards them, but liberatory for everyone else.

    All revolutions are going to be authoritarian towards someone, and you are acting as if the status quo isn't also authoritarian. Passively voting and trying to reform a system of oppression does not have a track record of success. It does nothing to actually challenge the system of oppression either.

    Also are a cop, incredible gall to call me not-an - anarchist lmao

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    A revolution which overturns their domination is authoritarian towards them, but liberatory for everyone else.

    Yet again, you're using a niche definition and acting as though readers should have known it.

    Passively voting and trying to reform a system of oppression does not have a track record of success.

    Not strictly true. You should instead say "I find the rates of peaceful reform for the better to be too slow and unlikely."

    Also are a cop, incredible gall to call me not-an - anarchist lmao

    So when kids on the playground said "takes one to know one," you understood that to be true and wise? I'm not shocked or anything, but it is kinda funny that you still think that way (but seemingly don't apply that logic to yourself).

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Prisons are segregated too for the exact same reasons, which means if they decide I'm too manly to play in women's sports then I'm also too manly to go to women's prison. It's the same ideology, the same justification, I either kill myself or die in men's prison.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Prevent? We all know that men's prisons are r*pe dungeons! Everyone fucking jokes about it. Don't drop the soap HAHA SO FUNNEH!!1 Demonic shithole Nazi country run by fucking monsters. The r*pe is the point of US prisons. Death to Amerikkka

    The idea that it's "unfair" is based in the idea that women are weak and need protection, that hrt doesn't cause biological changes, that trans women are not real women, that trans women are pervert freaks that can't be allowed around women, it's all the same. There's a lot of baked in assumptions about sex in sports segregation, and they are the same assumptions for bathrooms and locker rooms and prisons. Once the door is open to this shit, it is inevitable that the next Republican regime will codify it.

    If the Democrats don't reach some fucking bipartisan compromise and do it themselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    We're still talking about the US, right? Because in this country the goal isn't to reduce incidence of SA. The goal is to humiliate men by making them r*pe each other. That's why it happens in the first place. Do you really think we couldn't eliminate it if we tried?

    And I favor the way the Paralympics already solved this issue. They separate athletes based on their ability, like how wrestlers are separated based on weight. Instead of just measuring sex, or hormone levels, measure things like weight and height and muscle mass and wing span and bone density etc etc. If we're going to separate athletes, let's make it scientific instead of based on some arbitrary social convention.

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