Diva comments on A month before an election!? BlooMAGA, amirite???

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

Okay so now that you’ve moved the goal-post from “There is zero despotism under M-L” to “Well, a little despotism is okay. We can exterminate certain people we disagree with,” you align with fascists more than you align with liberals (or anarchists, for that matter).

i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes. you literally work/worked for the carceral state, you are in no position to accuse anyone else of being aligned with fascists.

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[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes.

Then why the hell say "MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely" when you are advocating for that very boot?

Are you just hoping someone gullible reads what you're writing?

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago* (6 children)

i am in favor of being authoritarian towards capitalists, yes.
Then why the hell say “MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely” when you are advocating for that very boot?

as i said here, earlier in our correspondance

for me the boot is capitalism and its associated political economy and hierarchies.

please try to keep up

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[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Fair enough, I must've missed your niche definition of "the boot" (AKA authoritarianism).

Bizarre, but I guess if you're doing mental gymnastics your worldview can definitely make sense to you, much like The Ice Wall is perfectly logical to Flat Earthers.

So in sum, you think that anti-capitalist authoritarianism literally is not authoritarianism. If that's the case, we have nothing further to discuss.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

it's not mental gymnastics, all definitions of authoritarianism have ideological assumptions baked in. i am opposed to capitalism. overthrowing capitalism is going to be authoritarian from the perspective of the capitalists. i am in favor of that.

i am opposed to a dictatorship of capital, which is what both republicans and democrats are in favor of. that is liberal authoritarianism

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[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

it’s not mental gymnastics, all definitions of authoritarianism have ideological assumptions baked in

They really don't, but go on.

overthrowing capitalism is going to be authoritarian from the perspective of the capitalists.

Not necessarily, but that is one method.

i am opposed to a dictatorship of capital, which is what both republicans and democrats are in favor of. that is liberal authoritarianism

Right, but you're for dictatorship of another flavor, ergo you are not an anarchist.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Right, but you're for dictatorship of another flavor, ergo you are not an anarchist.

I am opposed to unjust and imposed hierarchies as an anarchist. Capitalists want to maintain and continue those hierarchies. A revolution which overturns their domination is authoritarian towards them, but liberatory for everyone else.

All revolutions are going to be authoritarian towards someone, and you are acting as if the status quo isn't also authoritarian. Passively voting and trying to reform a system of oppression does not have a track record of success. It does nothing to actually challenge the system of oppression either.

Also are a cop, incredible gall to call me not-an - anarchist lmao

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[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

A revolution which overturns their domination is authoritarian towards them, but liberatory for everyone else.

Yet again, you're using a niche definition and acting as though readers should have known it.

Passively voting and trying to reform a system of oppression does not have a track record of success.

Not strictly true. You should instead say "I find the rates of peaceful reform for the better to be too slow and unlikely."

Also are a cop, incredible gall to call me not-an - anarchist lmao

So when kids on the playground said "takes one to know one," you understood that to be true and wise? I'm not shocked or anything, but it is kinda funny that you still think that way (but seemingly don't apply that logic to yourself).

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Yet again, you’re using a niche definition and acting as though readers should have known it.

yes, i am using a definition other than the liberal moralizing version. if you actually read and engaged with what i have said i would expect you to be able to follow that, it's not the first time i've outlined that.

You should instead say “I find the rates of peaceful reform for the better to be too slow and unlikely.”

this is being pedantic. peaceful reform has a track record of being rolled back whenever capital feels threatened

So when kids on the playground said "takes one to know one," you understood that to be true and wise?

its more that not even other anarchists are in a position to dictate to other anarchists who is and isn't an anarchist. having someone who seems completely fine with the carceral state calling me not-an-anarchist just makes me laugh

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