HCSOThrowaway comments on A month before an election!? BlooMAGA, amirite???

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (13 children)

i have plenty of criticisms for MLs, but i am willing to work with them on shared goals; it’s kind of the fundamentals of a coalition. the problem is i don’t really have shared goals with liberals and whenever i’ve try to ask liberal politicians to advance anything i care about i get either ignored or hostility.

Sorry to hear you feel that way, but it seems like you're letting rare anecdote drive your stereotyping into hostility towards a group - the exact thing you accused me of earlier.

showing up to vote every year is not the same as engaging in electoral politics. i have no patience for political campaigns, and i usually just protest vote anyways.

Ah okay, then yeah you're pictured in the meme. Protest votes towards candidates with ~0% chance of winning in the general are tantamount to staying home. Odd to see you'll hold your noise for a coalition in one case but not in the other, but I doubt I can convince you otherwise in this conversation (or life).

To me:

Democrats don't want a boot on my neck
Republicans want a Hitler-flavored boot on my neck
Tankies want a Stalin-flavored boot on my neck

The choice for who I ally with seems obvious, much like in the OP. I would think an anarchist would agree with that logic more than anyone, but obviously you're not obligated to tell the truth on the internet.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (12 children)

but it seems like you’re letting rare anecdote drive your stereotyping into hostility towards a group - the exact thing you accused me of earlier.

i promise you it's not rare, it's an ongoing phenomena. i literally just had comrades getting arrested by democrat politicians for protesting those politicians abandoning trans kids medically to protect institutions and placate trump.

To me:

Democrats don't want a boot on my neck

Republicans want a Hitler-flavored boot on my neck

Tankies want a Stalin-flavored boot on my neck

this says more about you than anything else. democrats have had their boots on plenty of necks, just with more appealing branding. democrats built and operated the deportation machine before trump, have been bombing multiple countries continuously when in power, and out of power are arresting trans activists rather than opposing trump.

saying that there's no boot requires a lot of selective vision or you're just the one wearing the boot.

for me the boot is capitalism and its associated political economy and heirarchies.

To me:

Democrats want a boot on my neck, but with slightly slower and better managed extermination of undesirables
Republicans want a boot on my neck, but with significantly faster extermination of undesirables.
MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely, but we disagree on some details

the choice for who i ally with seems obvious

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[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago (11 children)

i promise you it’s not rare, it’s an ongoing phenomena. i literally just had comrades getting arrested by democrat politicians for protesting those politicians abandoning trans kids medically to protect institutions and placate trump.

Loads of details left out of this, so I can't really say if I would be For or Against those arrests, but your ideology as stated in this thread is predicated upon tankies never arresting protestors, which is... how to put it politely... incorrect.

this says more about you than anything else. democrats have had their boots on plenty of necks, just with more appealing branding. democrats built and operated the deportation machine before trump, have been bombing multiple countries continuously when in power, and out of power are arresting trans activists rather than opposing trump.

Yeah, fair to say that I hyperbolized - Democrats can be oppressors just like anyone else, but much like the meme points out, they do it far less, so that's how I vote when the General rolls around.

The point, as always, is as that other meme from a couple days ago expressed where you have a tally board with 50,000 tallies and one with 5. Tankies (and their self-proclaimed non-tankie allies, as you claim to be) insist those numbers are identical, so you shouldn't bother supporting either side. I think that's preposterous to the point of clear bad faith argument, but I recognize it's possible that someone... less wise... may in fact fully believe it.

5 is bad. I want it to be 0. But I'll take 5 over 50,000 any day of the week and you will never convince me that's wrong (in the General).

MLs want to get rid of the boot entirely, but we disagree on some details

Frankly: bruh

You simply are completely unaware of the practices of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and their friends.

Marxists may want to get rid of the boot, but Marxist-Leninists firmly do not.

Here's some things you might want to read about (in case you're not trolling) and anyone who made it this far who isn't aware you're completely wrong on that bit:

Plenty of M-L boots on plenty of necks in any of those examples. I don't see how you could ignore that apart from a No True M-L fallacy angle.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Loads of details left out of this, so I can’t really say if I would be For or Against those arrests, but your ideology as stated in this thread is predicated upon tankies never arresting protestors, which is… how to put it politely… incorrect.

yes i had a feeling you would be sitting on the fence about this officer.

'tankies' are in no position to arrest me, nor is the prospect of them doing so anything close to an immediate threat. meanwhile if i give you more details about what i get up to you or another liberal would probably try to have me arrested all the same.

is as that other meme from a couple days ago expressed where you have a tally board with 50,000 tallies and one with 5.

dawg godric is always vomiting out dishonestly framed garbage, idk why you take it seriously. the tally board framing flatters democrats harms by only counting visible acts of harm while ignoring the structural harm they maintain and enable. for example the deportation machine, the carceral state, the warmongering, the genocide funding, the preemptive compliance with trump. counting those as 5 tally marks would be laughable because that's the infrastructure of harm that makes the 50,000 possible.

You simply are completely unaware of the practices of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and their friends.

i have probably read orders of magnitude more from and about those guys than you have, but thank you for linking wikipedia to me doggirl-lol

however many skulls you attribute to those fighting against capitalism, the pile created by capitalism dwarfs that.

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[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

yes i had a feeling you would be sitting on the fence about this

"Someone didn't immediately decide For or Against something with limited information?! Fucking fence sitter!"

‘tankies’ are in no position to arrest me, nor is the prospect of them doing so anything close to an immediate threat.

Yeah, because they're not in power (yet) in your area. How does that make any sense, to support despotism as long as it isn't in power? If they seize power in your area and you are subsequently oppressed, then and only then will you be against their political philosophy?

Pretty selfish and short-sighted IMO. I hate nazis. I don't need them to be in power to hate them.

meanwhile if i give you more details about what i get up to you or another liberal would probably try to have me arrested all the same.

Yeah again, I'm not advocating For or Against whatever crime you're talking about because I have zero details about it.

I feel like it doesn't take a lot of thinking to realize why, but I can hold your hand through the logic if you'd like.

dawg godric is always vomiting out dishonestly framed garbage, idk why you take it seriously. the tally board framing flatters democrats harms by only counting visible acts of harm while ignoring the structural harm they maintain and enable. for example the deportation machine