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Conservatives Speak Out In Support Of Convoy Organizers (www.youtube.com)
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[–] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

It was only "forcing" in the same way we force people to not drink and drive.

Both the vaccine restrictions and drunk driving laws are in place for the safety of everyone around you. You are free to choose to defy those restrictions, but that doesn't mean you are free from the consequence of that choice. Just like driving drunk could result in the loss of your license. No one was breaking down doors and literally forcing a vaccine into people. There was always a choice. But there are also consequences for choosing the option that endangers the rest of the society you are participating in.

I am totally on board with there being consequences for stupid decisions that endanger others.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    for stupid decisions that endanger others.

    Sure. But there are plenty of reasons people had for refusing the vaccine that arent stupid at all. Including my cousin who is a pediatric ICU nurse and VERY well acquainted with vaccines and how they work. She was required to take the SARS vaccine and it physically damaged her immediately, and she now has heart complications that started right after she took her shot. So when the health board said she needed to take the Covid shot she pleaded her case as her heart couldnt take more damage if it were to have the same effect. They refused to grant her an exception so she retired from nursing instead. Not sure what part of that is 'stupid' but there wasnt exactly a lot of understanding - Trudeau made sure the message was that anyone who didnt take the shot was 'unCanadian' and most likely misogynists and racists and dont believe in science. Which was actually a pretty asshole thing to say. And why he's not only no longer PM but he's completely disappeared off the radar because the Liberal party doesnt want to remind Canadians of his existence.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Your cousin's case is a legitimate medical reason for an exemption and is why the rest of us need to maintain herd immunity by getting vaccinated. A bunch of guys I work with were refusing to get vaccinated just because they didn't want to be told what to do. Guys like that are actively endangering the people who CAN'T get vaccinated, like your cousin. Herd immunity is critical in order to limit the spread of diseases and protect the people who can't get vaccinated or who have other medical complications that put them at high risk.

    Legitimate medical exemptions are fine. Deciding that you "just don't want to" should come with consequences. My partner's 87 year old mother could be killed by Covid. We have all maintained flu/Covid shots to protect her.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    My partner’s 87 year old mother could be killed by Covid. We have all maintained flu/Covid shots to protect her.

    You DO know that getting the shot didnt prevent anyone from carrying and transmitting covid, right? And you can still get covid even after vaccination?

    The value of FORCING everyone to get the shot and isolating themselves really becomes questionable as we look at the long term effects: Mental health issues are way up. School age KIds lost two years of schooling and a lot of socialization skills. Drug use skyrocketed and we have a drug epidemic. Many seniors were severely emotionally impacted by not being able to see their families. Massive job losses particularly in the hospitality industry. Business closures. The division caused by the PM painting refusers as 'bad Canadians'. Plus the ridiculous financial cost of the ArriveCan scam, paying for hotel rooms to isolate travellers, millions of vaccines that went unused, respirators that were bought at a premium and sold as scrap, to say nothing of the billions of dollars that were handed out with almost zero oversight MUCH of it completely wasted. Like the millions given to a QC company to build a pharmaceutical plant that never happened. And the rapid rise of inflation caused by injecting billions of dollars into the economy.

    The Trudeau approach to forcing compliance cost this country A LOT and we're going to be dealing with the fallout for many years to come. There was usefulness in the beginning but after two years Trudeau was actually saying that he saw further use for the digital app for allowing entrance into buildings and other access. NO THANKS, we dont need gov control over free movement and medical compliance.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yes, I understand that it didn't prevent us from catching it or spreading it. It did however, reduce the length of time we were sick. Which meant that since we were her primary carers, that she wasn't without us for as long. Since it DID reduce the length of time and severity of our illness.

    As far as all of the other gripes you seem to have around Covid, yes, I agree it wasn't handled perfectly, but since we were dealing with a completely unfamiliar disease, we were working with what information was available at the time.

    I don't deny that in hindsight things could have been done better. But we should be judging the actions based on the context of the information at the time. Can we learn from the past and do better in the future? Absolutely. But I'm not going to hold every single Liberal at fault for the decisions of Trudeau.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I agree, we were working with the info at the time. But thats what was so frustrating about the continuation of the mandates when it was clear that we were past the peak of infections and the gov STILL wanted to impose NEW restrictions. I think Canadians were pretty patient for two long years but there was no reason to keep pushing us past the point of reason.

    And even if Trudeau's rationale was that he wanted to push people to get vaccinated, the name calling and the derision for those who didnt want to was completely uncalled for. The FIRST job of a PM is to keep Canadians united and feeling supported not treated like they were bad guys. That was a jerk move on his part.

    But yes, lesson learned. Unfortunately the 'lesson' here in Alberta seems to be 'you cant make us take a vaccine we dont want which is why we have a crazy high measles outbreak. Yikes. Thats embarrassing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So, she shouldn't be working in that field. Her job is to care for others NOT get a nice retirement. Man nurse streo types real.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lol. She did it exceptionally well for 30 years and there are many children alive today because of her care and YOU'RE going to pass judgement on her? LOL. Oh please.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It was her job which she refuses to protect others. Sorry you don't get points for doing your job.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What about her employers obligation to protect HER? She was there for 30 years and she had already suffered physical damage from a previous vaccine that her employer required (SARS). To FORCE her to endanger herself further was illogical and unfair.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't go into a sick field if you prone to sickness? I don't like bridges I take tunnels figure it out. No, her comfort and what she wanted aren't what's best for the patients. Not that hard.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    She wasnt 'prone' to sickness til the hospital forced her to get a SARS shot after nearly 20 years there. Not her fault she got sick from it.

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