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[–] 29 points 1 month ago (55 children)

Some alternatives:

  • Duckduckgo (Bing with privacy)
  • Qwant (Bing with privacy, but building their own index)
  • Mojeek (pet favorite of the privacy community but small index, search often unsatisfying for me)
  • Kagi (apparently really good but paid)
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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (31 children)

    Shouldn't "paid" be a a huge advantage, if we are complaining about advertising?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    Main problem with "paid" is that you have to log in for searching = all your searches can be tied to your payment into / identity. That's a big no-no.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Not to mention Kagi is based in the U.S. Whatever privacy promises they make are bullshit.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Either bullshit or delusional (which amounts to bullshit for the users) if they don't realize that they can't do anything about a FISA court order. Do they have a warrant canary at least?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes: https://kagi.com/privacy

    They also have options for anonymous search.

    I’m curious about how well they enforce that, and how as a European on European servers they do more, but I wil assume it’s all transparent to state actors. As are all others.

    The benefits are in corporations and being monetized.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (17 children)

    Are you really so naive to assume that your searches tied together won't allow to identify you within days? Please never work in cybersecurity.

    Also, crypto coins are a scam nowadays, thanks to the investment markets making them unstable as fuck.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (16 children)

    Bad news for you, I do work in cybersecurity (for over a decade), and I don't search for "hot singles in my exact address", so a bunch of k8s error message searches and the odd banana bread recipe won't identify me in a while.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    Working in cybersecurity and mistaking your own online behavior as being relevant for everyone else. How could that possibly backfire? /s

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (14 children)

    If someone cares, they have to be careful. No amount of anonymous tor usage will prevent exposing you if you Google your name and social security number.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (13 children)

    You shouldn't go around advising people to use anonymous payment methods for search engines that "protect your privacy". That's really bad advice, is all I am saying. But good for you...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (12 children)

    They protect your privacy as much as a search engine can.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

    You really need to step back and reevaluate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (9 children)

    In this scenario: Your assessment of the reality of what "protecting people's privacy" means.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

    Some protection is better than none. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    Except using a search engine without login from a private browser window is better(!) protection by far.

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    Which is, of course, something kagi couldn't do... Right?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    Of course they could, they don't need to since you're logged in, and they don't have an incentive since you're a paying customer, not the product.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    in other words, "trust me bro". You really should look for a job more suitable to your qualifications. IT security is not it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah, lawyers write terms and conditions for shits and giggles. Good luck with your incognito mode.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Not everyone on the Internet has money to burn.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    So then we need to choose between advertising or demanding unpaid labor...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    we need that altruistic billionaire just doing it for the love of the consumer

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I paid for kagi for a year or two. Problem (for me) is, they are very USA centric and offer less value to other regions. For region-independet search they were on par or better with google.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Not trying to pick on one thing but I guess I am focusing on it in my reply.

    Am I the only person that thinks duck duck Go is no longer worth recommending?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    No, it's not just you. DDG hasn't been very good in my recent experience. I bit the bullet and gave Kagi a try and it's been excellent. It's what I recommend now.

    It's not free, but I'll gladly pay to ensure that I'm the customer being tailored to instead of the product being sold.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Yeah initially it felt silly to pay for a search engine, but I gave kagi a try and really like it. I could immediately turn off all ai shit. I can block websites that are ai trash or that I just plain don't like or I can just down rank a website so I'll see other results first. For example, I have the Minecraft fandom website downranked but not blocked so that if I'm searching for something that isn't documented on the Minecraft wiki then the fandom page will still pop up, it just won't be the top result ever

    Also, I'm on the basic 300 searches a month and I've never hit the max despite feeling like I search a lot between my phone and computer

    Edit: there's also a little indicator next to websites that have a lot of trackers and ads so you can avoid or block those sites if you want

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I could immediately turn off all ai shit.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the AI stuff specifically opt-in, not simply easily opt-out as you describe? I'm a (happy) paid subscriber and AI results only occur if I invoke it with the "?" at the end of the search.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I've been using DDG since the beginning when it was an inferior product to Google, manly because of the bang! search feature (which replaced Yubnub for me) and for the privacy aspect. If a DDG search didn't give me good results, I could just add !g and see the Google results. It cut down my dependence on Google by about 75% at the time but only got better as the '10s wore on. By 2020 it was just a better search engine.

    Since then it seems to be going through the same enshittification that Google went through, although they know that they live & die on their privacy feature and that seems to still be better. Instead, they have added the AI summary ("search assist" is not auto by default, so a basic search doesn't query the AI), prioritize a few of the top hits on the search (along with context results like wikipedia, dictionary, stock summaries, etc.), but the rest of the results on the first page appear to be paid ranking pages. Below that are related searches, and below that is the "more results" button that is the hits that used to come before the paid ranking pages.

    Even though it seems to be sliding into the same patterns as other commercial search engines, I still think it is better than most of the alternatives. I still set it to default some from the browser I can do things like search for RAM on NewEgg ("!ne 16gb crucial ram") and go directly to that page instead of going to a search results page that may or may not be a sponsored link that takes five seconds to load because of spotty wireless & all of the 3rd party elements having to load.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I use DDG but i wish it filtered out sites that are clearly 100% AI generated

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Problem with all SEO is AI is really good at grabbing hold of the search crawlers and creating articles on questions whether it answers the question or not. I sometimes search by date published so older non ai articls have a chance. Perhaps they could increase the wighting based on age.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I wish it didn't append completely irrelevant "Apple Maps" results for places thousands of miles way, to everything I search for.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I would imagine ddg can't licence Google maps. I'm surprised they don't use bing maps (if that's still a thing)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    They used to use Openstreetmap, which was very accurate where I lived, and also seemed to be reasonably good at knowing when something needed a map (like a business or location you were trying to find) and when it didn't need a map (like any other normal search).

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