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[+] -23 points 1 month ago (60 children)

GOOD. I know this bullshit isn't Sheeran's fault personally, and I honestly don't blame him for trying to stay neutral, much as I disagree with it, but the musicians need to put pressure on the asshole rich people trying to force their opinion$ and their propping up Israel onto us.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago (35 children)

    Fence-sitting on genocide is squarely “his fault,” and an unforced error

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  • [+] -11 points 1 month ago (34 children)

    Are we having the same conversation? The promotors and stadium owners are the ones who got Macklemore kicked, and i flat out said I disagreed with Sheeran not taking a stance. I'm perfectly capable of speaking for myself, you don't need to make up things for me to say.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    Ed Sheeran has enough wealth and fame he could have told the stadium owners and promoters to go fuck themselves. It would have been the right thing to do just to support his friend Macklemore. It is immensely more correct to do it to be a voice against genocide. So while Ed may not have been the original source of the problem, he is still very much part of the problem.

    And even if the tour was cancelled because he took a stand, he absolutely could have turned around and started a new tour. And likely sold out any concerts based on his existing fame and the additional press this has generated. Now he is lumped with every other greedy pos that decided money was more important than lives.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (30 children)

    I honestly don't blame him for trying to stay neutral

    Cool. Everyone else does.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    Funny how you cropped out the part right after where I said I disagreed with him doing that.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Right, but you don't blame him. You should blame him for his cowardice.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Genocide. He should feel strongly about genocide and act uppn those feelings. Curse him for a coward. He is rich, he would be fine. Children are dying in misery and he gets to decide he is neutral. No.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I agree with all of that and never claimed otherwise, God fucking forbid I have the maturity to understand his motives without agreeing with it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    You are acting like the phrase "I don't blame him" has no meaning. That is specifically what everyone is replying to, and your justifying it.

    It's like saying that while you disagree personally, you don't blame the justice dept for not prosecuting a child rapist because it would be politically difficult for them.

    No. It's child rape. You blame them.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    You make it look like it is subjective but it is not

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Being critical of peoples thought and actions is not telling them how to think. It’s telling them how you think.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You sand you think musicians should out pressure on power, but also said you don't blame him for trying to be neutral.

    That implies 2 things.

    One, that even if you don't agree with his stance, staying neutral is somehow still an idealistic endeavour. In this case, it's greed, not ideals. It has been pointed out by numerous people that he has taken sides in other world events, like Ukraine. It also negates his actions to drop Macklemore under pressure. That is not staying neutral.

    Two, it also implies that there is an option to stay neutral when genocide is concerned. We all should be against it. In fact, as a species, we have made laws and treaties specifically about it, through the UN.

    So, I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't hold water. You're trying to both sides the issue, in the same way he did. He's rightly getting criticised for it, including partly by you, but also let off by you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Statements have meaning within context and also other details can be inferred. That's how communication andlanguage works. If you don't get that, there is no point in continuing.

    As so many other people have discocered conversing with you. Strange hill to die on, but it must be hard to do the mental gymnastics to excuse genocide.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    I think that's different though bud…

    Let's try a more blatant example for clarification, imagine you said the following about someone who murdered his wife:

    "personally I don't blame him for killing his bitch of a wife, although I disagree"

    the issue here is that you, like Sheeran, seem to think that staying neutral on genocide is being neutral even though you clearly know better than that… what you said armounts to "I would have done the same as Sheeran, if I were in his shoes"

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    You are putting a whole lot of words I did not say in my mouth. I said I understood why Sheeran was staying neutral, he's trying to play the whole " I'm an artist for all people" blah blah bullshit. And I said I disagreed with it. It's really common for musicians to do that, because they want ALL fans. One of the reasons I like Macklemore is that he doesn't do that and is willing to put his career on the line for it. The fact that just trying to say "I understand why someone did something even if I don't like it" still gets bombarded is pretty fucked up.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    You are putting a whole lot of words I did not say in my mouth

    Correct, and I warned in advance I was doing that to exemplify the point… I even warned I was being exaggerated about it

    It's really common for musicians to do that, because they want ALL fans.

    Again, the issue here is that not taking a side in a genocide is taking the side for genocide

    another example: no reasonable person would judge you if a bar fight start between two giants and you decide to not get involved… however, any reasonable person would judge you if you see a grown man beating a toddler and you don't even call 911

    The fact that just trying to say "I understand why someone did something even if I don't like it" still gets bombarded is pretty fucked up.

    Again, it's not a normal thing you are understanding from Sheeran here… in my example above, I don't think most people would be chill if I said "I disagree with beating the crap oot of toddlers, but I understand letting it happen and moving on"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    He rightfully took side in Russian war of aggression of Ukraine. Stop with your bullshit excuses

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Only if you promise to stop with your bullshit whataboutisms.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    You claimed that Ed is acting neutral like artist normally do . I wrote about how he is taking sides. You call that whataboutism? Accusing other of whataboutism is hypocrites favorite technique

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    You brought up Ukraine. And you don't think that's whataboutism. Ok buddy.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    You claimed that Ed do not take sides and I brought the example of Ukraine which prove that he do take sides . That is not whataboutism

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    So your argument is he has a different opinion about 2 different things and I'm an asshole for disagreeing with one of them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    My argument is that Ed do take humanitarian sides while you claimed that he doesn't

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    About THIS SUBJECT. The one we are discussing in the post. Because he flat out said that was his reasoning. You keep moving the goal posts.

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    Lol, like it's not all in writing in this thread. I think you misinterpreted what I said and cannot accept that and would rather go to this level of arguing than admit you were wrong about something. And I honestly hope you think about that and examine your response to all of this. Sheeran said something, I understand his reasoning and think he is wrong. It's not a weakness to understand someone's motives, you know.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    He said to Mac that holding an, Palestinian flag hurt many people feeling. It is Ed fault personally

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

    He rejected palestinians right to exist by condemning Mac use of a palestinians flag. He did not take no side he took the side of genocide

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    People talk like this but still fund the nations paying for the wars daily.

    You're no different Ed Sheeran in this regard if you live within a nation sending funds and weapons to Israel.

    All people still sitting pretty and talking drama about this war while still funding their nations are the enemy. And that includes me too but if you want to actually make change you must understand we fuel it just by living in these nations, we are backbone their evil.

    All the trending drama sounds like people complaining about a refs call in football game. You're spectators, you bought a ticket to watch the game, you bitch about a call, but all that money is still going to fund the game (war in Palestine or anywhere).

    Humanity is in the palm of evil world wide. Every one is going to hell.

    Nations are tools for wealthy to use, and we are the cattle working to make there dreams and war come alive...just by working and paying tax. They want division, they want the dramas like the one above to happen... You are fueling division by participating.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This is not a war, it is a fucking genocide. This scum Ed Sheeran is concerned that raising a flag and saying Free Palestine hurts the feelings of Zionists who talk like Nazis. Opposing showing a Palestinian flag is genocidal; it is a rejection of Palestinians' right to self-determination.

    If you are bitching about people opposing this idiot and defending his shitty position, then it is you who consider genocide like a football game.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You are defending his position by claiming that it is a matter of subjectivity. His position is to suppress anti genocide boice by claiming it hurt zinonazis feeling this is objectively wrong

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    You're saying being impartial to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, where nearly half of them are children, is not his fault?

    You don't blame him for falling to condemn the murder, starvation, rape, and torture of an entire People?

    In what possible way could he be absolved of his responsibility? If anything, he's even more responsible to speak out against it given the privilege he has been granted with his platform.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    You literally said, verbatim, 'it's not his fault' and 'i don't blame him' so idk what you're really looking for out of this response.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Okay ignoring the fact that you clearly don't know or comprehend what your original comment said..

    Unless Ed said 'if they go, I go' it's literally his fault. He didn't do what's within his power to stand up against, again, the LITERAL GENOCIDE of a predominantly CHILD population.

    He is complicit. It's his fault. He is personally responsible.

    It's not a very difficult concept to understand.

    And before you say shit about contracts or whatever else, he has an estimated net worth of nearly half a billion dollars. More money than an individual or family could need in several lifetimes.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Hey, you know what you're right. Since we're going off topic here's a link you will evidently find useful, https://learningcenter.unc.edu/tips-and-tools/reading-comprehension-tips/

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My entire argument is that he did nothing.

    And doing nothing is doing something. But not the right kind of something.. it's actually specifically the bad kind of something.

    Macklemore not wanting completely shit on Ed for being a spineless piece of shit isn't really the strongest argument against his cowardice.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago

    Really cause from what I read he tried to get the promotors to NOT boot Macklemore, and Macklemore backs that up. I'm honestly not sure what you expect from me, I led with I disagree with Sheeran's stance in this. Are you that mad at me for not being madder at someone else? It's not often I'm accused of not being angry enough about something.

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