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If she doesn't disclose up front that she's wearing makeup, that's sexual assault (lemmy.today)
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[–] 65 points 2 months ago (54 children)

This argument is stupid either way of course... But I find the picture on the right way more attractive.

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  • [+] -48 points 2 months ago (52 children)

    But I find the picture on the right way more attractive.

    "Don't worry, ladies! This incel finds you ugly, but I find you attractive!"

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (42 children)

    I'm just expressing my opinion, but okay, sure.

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  • [+] -35 points 2 months ago (41 children)

    You're expressing your opinion just like Jeremy is in the post.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (37 children)

    For a complete stranger, you seem to think you've got me all figured out. While we're throwing accusations around, you come across as really defensive and needlessly confrontational.

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  • [+] -35 points 2 months ago (36 children)

    I'm responding to you doing the exact same thing as the man in the post.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (35 children)

    Am I though?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

    Velma will post “Nobody cares what makes your dick hard.” and “I’m lying in bed thinking about women” in the same thread. You’re not the problem right now.

    Edit: Sorry, it was “Can confirm, I am also thinking about the waitress with big tits while laying in bed.”

    https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25177012

    https://lemmy.world/post/50398336/25171603

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You post so much. Please don’t make me go dig up the context.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah I posted "I'm also lying in bed thinking about that woman" on a meme. That statement is only talking about my internal thoughts and doesn't saying anything about the woman or what I think she should look like or change to appease what I want.

    Go ahead. Go digging.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, the first comment I'm responding to someone comparing women's tits to cow's milk glands. Literally dehumanizing women with large breasts.

    The second comment is my own personal thoughts on appreciating that fictional woman in the meme. It's not comparing her to anything or saying that she would be more attractive if she did XYZ or that I like her better a certain way.

    You can't comprehend the difference between the two?

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  • [+] -17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, the first comment I'm responding to someone comparing women's tits to cow's milk glands. Literally dehumanizing women with large breasts.

    The second comment is my own personal thoughts on appreciating that fictional woman in the meme. It's not comparing her to anything or saying that she would be more attractive if she did XYZ or that I like her better a certain way.

    You can't comprehend the difference between the two?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    When someone else shares their thoughts on a woman, they're fucked up and evil. When I do it, I'm just expressing my opinion.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    "I think she's attractive" or "I don't personally think she's attractive" = okay "She looks like a fat cow" = not okay

    I don't personally believe this is gender-specific, or subscribe to the idea that women are allowed to thirst over women publicly and men aren't, but we ought to all be on the same page that it's not okay to compare a woman to a cow, and so therefore no hypocrisy occurred. Just consider time and place, and be respectful, and it's fine.

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  • [+] -22 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    You are. Jeremy is objectifying this woman and so are you. It's not about what is more attractive to men.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children)

    Part of the premise of the original post is about what is more attractive to men, and expressing a preference against makeup is a logically valid way to contradict its argument (while also being a faux pas that context does not defend against). The whole thing is obvious bait and you're both falling for it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Well IMO that means this Twitter asshole's attempt at trolling is a success, which is a shame

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    What I mean by trolling here is, deliberately inciting other people to have the desired argument amongst themselves. OOP isn't affected or aware of anything we say, it's completely one-sided.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    I understand what you mean and appreciate it. You’re right, it’s not particularly productive to get into it in comment sections.

    Aside from that, the overwhelming amount of casual sexism that’s openly tolerated and upvoted on Lemmy is astonishing sometimes.

    These types of posts see a lot of men chiming in to say what they find attractive, what women should do to be attractive to them. It’s annoying. I’m aware that I annoy those men by saying something, but oh well.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Have you ever considered that maybe you're just not as smart as you seem to think you are? Or that people may not always agree with you, and that's okay?

    Neither observation has anything to do with your gender by the way, though I have a sneaking suspicion you won't see it that way.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    There's being strongly opinionated, and then there's acting like a stubborn, arrogant ass. The fact that just about everyone in this thread disagrees with you does not exactly reflect positively on your argument. And yet you continue to double down.

    For the record, I do somewhat understand the point you're trying to make. Maybe this was not the post for me to speak on what I consider to be attractive, but I really didn't give it that much thought. So fair play for calling me out on that to an extent.

    But I truly believe intention matters. If a man simply stating what he finds attractive about a woman is enough for you to think he's sexist, I guess you're entitled to your opinion. That you would equate me to someone who compares women wearing makeup to sexual assault is completely unhinged. I genuinely feel sorry for you if that's how you go through life.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Velma is calling out a concept she finds problematic and not any specific person, and others are over here calling her unintelligent, an "arrogant ass," and a "wokescold." And in the same breath, you're saying she's the one personally attacking people. I think you've contradicted your own argument by name-calling.

    It's okay to disagree, but let's try to stay civil while we do that.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    The fact that just about everyone in this thread disagrees with you does not exactly reflect positively on your argument

    There were a lot of people who disagreed with me about 14 year olds being unable to consent to sex with adults, too. That doesn't make me wrong.

    Unasked for commentary on how a woman looks is unnecessary and presumptuous. Who gives a fuck what any individual thinks about how THIS woman should present herself? The only thing that matters is what SHE wants to look like.

    Misogyny and sexism is on the rise again and this kind of casual sexism goes hand in hand with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Whatever, I can tell I'm at a dead end with trying to get through to you. This is a Lemmy post, not your first year gender studies class... it's really not that deep. Maybe get over yourself and touch some grass.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    from the outside looking in, it very much seems like you think YOURE the one better than others. Youre taking the velma LARP way too seriously at this point, and youre giving 'netflix wokescold velma' and not 'cool 60s velma', so its not even a fun larp youre doing either

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I guess a few too many times finding posts where y’all are pushing that 14 year olds can consent to sex and that men should be allowed to murder their wives if they cheat and joking about raping women has turned me real sour on these kinds of comments.

    I’m not LARPing. I’m astonished at how some of you act. Or worse, how some of you see these comments and don’t say anything at all.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, for sure, doing your hair and makeup has absolutely nothing to do with trying to make yourself more attractive to men when you are a straight woman. Very valuable insight, thanks

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry for joining a heated conversation, but what about lesbians, women in relationships, aroace women, etc.? They still do their hair and makeup.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    I specified a straight woman. As far as women in relationships, etc, as a man, I've noticed people of all sorts being MUCH nicer to me when I was ideal weight vs. overweight. So it actually has advantages to be attractive even if you're not actually trying to attract people. You get treated better in many situations.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    People like you do more harm than good for the cause you're fighting for. You are a living caricature of what actual incels use to justify their rotten worldview.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    If one person on the internet being a feminist killjoy is enough for you to disavow feminism, you were never supportive of it to begin with.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Lol, I'm not disavowing feminism. Your comments won't change the mind of anyone who already had an egalitarian mindset - but in aggregate lots of comments like yours push away people on the fence, and entrench those who are already in a bad place.

    If a woman made an equivalent comment about the before and after shots of a guy getting in shape or something it would rightfully not draw any ire. Jumping down the throat of every guy who expresses their preferences about women is not going to win us any allies.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Who said anything about changing anyone's minds? She's merely pointing out that blunderworld's comment is still objectifying women. The up/downvote ratio says a lot about the Lemmy crowd that they should be ashamed of.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    If a woman had made an identical comment about a dude posting with/without makeup photos it wouldn't have drawn any ire.

    It wasn't objectification. He never insinuated that her looks were all that mattered, or that she wasn't a unique snowflake of a person - he simply mentioned his own preference about makeup.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    he simply mentioned his own preference about makeup.

    He mentioned his own preference about the woman pictured in the meme.

    If a woman had made an identical comment about a dude posting with/without makeup photos it wouldn’t have drawn any ire.

    It should draw ire.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I don't have an inherent responsibility to be the nicest, most kind woman ever in order to get people to understand and support feminism and women's rights. I'm a person on the internet with strong opinions. That's it.

    If you want to believe that a single feminist killjoy on the internet is solely responsible for winning allies in the fight for women's rights, that's on you. I'm just pissed off at the audacity of people commenting on women as if they're objects to be dolled up (or not) to look nice for men.

    Believe it or not, women are allowed to be angry. And I don't care what y'all think.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    No, you don't have any responsibility per se, but you should know your comments come off more misandrist than feminist, and actively harm the cause. You are the embodiment of the shrieking feminazi strawman that incels joke about - and I'm not convinced you aren't a larping incel trying to push their conspiracy that feminism = man-hating.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    If you took one look at my post history, you'd know I'm not a larping incel. I don't push that feminism = man hating.

    I'm allowed my opinions same as any other anonymous person on the internet. Again, if my comments are enough to put someone off of feminism, they were never supportive of women's rights to begin with.

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