▲ 141 ▼ A fossil-fuel plant seeing nuclear coming... (ani.social) submitted 2 months ago by GolfFoxtrotLima@ani.social to c/science_memes@mander.xyz 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/50691754
[+] Photonic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago (8 children) Airplanes don't have a bad rep, they are incredibly safe and if one occasionally crashes the death toll is generally limited to the passengers. My issue with nuclear being presented as perfectly safe is that this is largely theoretical. In practice the list of nuclear and radiation accidents is quite long. If you dig a little into your deaths per terawatt-hour list you can find that they count 433 deaths from Chernobyl. The real death toll remains unknown, but ranges from the 30 officially reported by the Soviet government, the WHO estimate of 4000+, and the 35000 families receiving compensation for "owing to the loss of a breadwinner whose death was deemed to possibly related to the Chernobyl accident." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster) My point is, each of these nuclear accidents has the potential to kill tens of thousands and cause long-term increases in cancers and birth defects. And despite all the safety claims, we see a major incident about once a decade. Additionally, we still don't know where to store the nuclear waste and enriched uranium continues to bring cash to Russia, as we haven't been able to shake dependance there either. All in all, nuclear is another fossil fuel that has risks we can't seem to manage properly and the price is much higher than most renewables. I'm not saying to shut all nuclear plants down immediately, especially if we then have to use coal or gas to make up for the loss in production. But let's stop praising it as this amazing alternative by making safety and sustainability claims that are based on propaganda numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 child) All in all, nuclear is another fossil fuel Just want to correct it is definitely NOT a fossil fuel. Unless... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago Hahaha, just NUKE IT!! QUICK!! It's all perfectly safe. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago* Reservoir hydro, geothermal and concentrated solar with thermal storage are actually green and could provide base load energy. You're free to continue ignoring my points with linked sources in favour of your airplane tangent and theoretical possibilities. As I also said, nuclear sounds all great in theory, but the human factor of cutting corners and prioritising immediate profits are nor giving me the confidence that I'd like to embrace nuclear today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) that provides base load power Not necessary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 1 point 2 months ago You’d think that some who writes such long arguments for nuclear power would know this. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) You shared an opinion piece written by a self-styled "investor" who proceeds to endorse the forthcoming feasibility of fusion. I shared a piece written by one of the authors of the study he is basing his article on. A study published in a peer-reviewed journal and conducted by a reputable university. They are not the same. As for the date...renewables have only become more viable since 2013. The price has plummeted, and the feasibility of battery storage has skyrocketed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago And the current extreme drought in Europe is hopefully a rare occurrence aaahahahhahahahahahahahaahahahha I do love your optimism, tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 months ago (8 children) Airplanes don't have a bad rep, they are incredibly safe and if one occasionally crashes the death toll is generally limited to the passengers. My issue with nuclear being presented as perfectly safe is that this is largely theoretical. In practice the list of nuclear and radiation accidents is quite long. If you dig a little into your deaths per terawatt-hour list you can find that they count 433 deaths from Chernobyl. The real death toll remains unknown, but ranges from the 30 officially reported by the Soviet government, the WHO estimate of 4000+, and the 35000 families receiving compensation for "owing to the loss of a breadwinner whose death was deemed to possibly related to the Chernobyl accident." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster) My point is, each of these nuclear accidents has the potential to kill tens of thousands and cause long-term increases in cancers and birth defects. And despite all the safety claims, we see a major incident about once a decade. Additionally, we still don't know where to store the nuclear waste and enriched uranium continues to bring cash to Russia, as we haven't been able to shake dependance there either. All in all, nuclear is another fossil fuel that has risks we can't seem to manage properly and the price is much higher than most renewables. I'm not saying to shut all nuclear plants down immediately, especially if we then have to use coal or gas to make up for the loss in production. But let's stop praising it as this amazing alternative by making safety and sustainability claims that are based on propaganda numbers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 child) All in all, nuclear is another fossil fuel Just want to correct it is definitely NOT a fossil fuel. Unless... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago Hahaha, just NUKE IT!! QUICK!! It's all perfectly safe. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago* Reservoir hydro, geothermal and concentrated solar with thermal storage are actually green and could provide base load energy. You're free to continue ignoring my points with linked sources in favour of your airplane tangent and theoretical possibilities. As I also said, nuclear sounds all great in theory, but the human factor of cutting corners and prioritising immediate profits are nor giving me the confidence that I'd like to embrace nuclear today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) that provides base load power Not necessary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 1 point 2 months ago You’d think that some who writes such long arguments for nuclear power would know this. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) You shared an opinion piece written by a self-styled "investor" who proceeds to endorse the forthcoming feasibility of fusion. I shared a piece written by one of the authors of the study he is basing his article on. A study published in a peer-reviewed journal and conducted by a reputable university. They are not the same. As for the date...renewables have only become more viable since 2013. The price has plummeted, and the feasibility of battery storage has skyrocketed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 child) All in all, nuclear is another fossil fuel Just want to correct it is definitely NOT a fossil fuel. Unless... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago Hahaha, just NUKE IT!! QUICK!! It's all perfectly safe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago Hahaha, just NUKE IT!! QUICK!! It's all perfectly safe. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (6 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago* Reservoir hydro, geothermal and concentrated solar with thermal storage are actually green and could provide base load energy. You're free to continue ignoring my points with linked sources in favour of your airplane tangent and theoretical possibilities. As I also said, nuclear sounds all great in theory, but the human factor of cutting corners and prioritising immediate profits are nor giving me the confidence that I'd like to embrace nuclear today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) that provides base load power Not necessary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 1 point 2 months ago You’d think that some who writes such long arguments for nuclear power would know this. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) You shared an opinion piece written by a self-styled "investor" who proceeds to endorse the forthcoming feasibility of fusion. I shared a piece written by one of the authors of the study he is basing his article on. A study published in a peer-reviewed journal and conducted by a reputable university. They are not the same. As for the date...renewables have only become more viable since 2013. The price has plummeted, and the feasibility of battery storage has skyrocketed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago* Reservoir hydro, geothermal and concentrated solar with thermal storage are actually green and could provide base load energy. You're free to continue ignoring my points with linked sources in favour of your airplane tangent and theoretical possibilities. As I also said, nuclear sounds all great in theory, but the human factor of cutting corners and prioritising immediate profits are nor giving me the confidence that I'd like to embrace nuclear today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) that provides base load power Not necessary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 1 point 2 months ago You’d think that some who writes such long arguments for nuclear power would know this. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) You shared an opinion piece written by a self-styled "investor" who proceeds to endorse the forthcoming feasibility of fusion. I shared a piece written by one of the authors of the study he is basing his article on. A study published in a peer-reviewed journal and conducted by a reputable university. They are not the same. As for the date...renewables have only become more viable since 2013. The price has plummeted, and the feasibility of battery storage has skyrocketed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 1 point 2 months ago You’d think that some who writes such long arguments for nuclear power would know this. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) You shared an opinion piece written by a self-styled "investor" who proceeds to endorse the forthcoming feasibility of fusion. I shared a piece written by one of the authors of the study he is basing his article on. A study published in a peer-reviewed journal and conducted by a reputable university. They are not the same. As for the date...renewables have only become more viable since 2013. The price has plummeted, and the feasibility of battery storage has skyrocketed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Zagorath 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children) You shared an opinion piece written by a self-styled "investor" who proceeds to endorse the forthcoming feasibility of fusion. I shared a piece written by one of the authors of the study he is basing his article on. A study published in a peer-reviewed journal and conducted by a reputable university. They are not the same. As for the date...renewables have only become more viable since 2013. The price has plummeted, and the feasibility of battery storage has skyrocketed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Zagorath 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Ok it's obvious you're not here to discuss anything in good faith. You've arrived at your conclusion and will make up whatever nonsense you feel like will support it. Have the life you deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath 0 points 2 months ago And I’m the one discussing in bad faith? If you're going to pretend that batteries haven't become enormously more popular over the past decade and that some investor hack is equivalent to someone whose career is research in this exact area, that tells me everything I need to know about how you are approaching this. It's not worth effort partaking any further with someone who cannot have the basic decency to do likewise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 months ago And the current extreme drought in Europe is hopefully a rare occurrence aaahahahhahahahahahahahaahahahha I do love your optimism, tho permalink fedilink source parent