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[+] -123 points 4 months ago* (57 children)

The guy who killed a dude to accomplish no changes in the system he opposed and then went to prison for life?

Nah, I think he'd be on the other side of the chart.

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  • [–] 73 points 4 months ago* (27 children)

    Damn, poor little baby sure is jealous that Luigi got the entire US talking about the evils of private health insurance for weeks if not months and took down a mass-murderer.

    What a little cockweasel you are.

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  • [+] -65 points 4 months ago (26 children)

    Yeah totes wish I was getting locked up and watching the company I hated was hiring a new profit-focused CEO to continue its rollout of AI-powered claim review denying claims in record high amounts.

    Sooo jelly

    /s

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  • [–] 52 points 4 months ago (25 children)

    Hey, man, Luigi was fighting for you too; maybe with proper dental care, for example, you could finally have those boot polish stains removed from your teeth.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    You’re doing fuck all to help anyone.

    No one said I was, you illiterate fuck. That's why I don't shit on people who are.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    Oh shit, good one. Wow, you're so clever I almost forgot that you're insufferable. Come to think of it, I tagged you some months ago after reading a comment where you called Bill Gates the "best billionaire", so maybe your opinion of Luigi would've improved if he'd had extramarital affairs in the company of the 21st century's most notorious child sex trafficker.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Man, not like Jimmy Buffett or something? It had to be the man who used underhanded tactics – notable even compared to other massive corporations – to monopolize home computing and was buddy–buddy with a man he definitely knew trafficked and raped children while he cheated on his wife with multiple women? You clearly have poor taste in people either way, but hopefully in this specific case you just said "fuck it" and carelessly decided that, out of the ~3000 billionaires, your guy is the one who remarked that a permanent ban of Trump from Twitter "would be a shame" and who used his platform to spread disinformation that climate change doesn't pose an existential threat to humanity.

    Even if the billionaire has to be alive, you're remarkably stupid by choosing him.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    as well as donating the vast majority of his wealth

    Damn, I forgot that when I give away a portion of the hundreds of billions of dollars I stole through naked monopolization and exploitation, it makes me a super great guy – and the more money I steal, the betterer. How benevolent of Billy Billionaire; what a noble sacrifice. It's a good thing Jeffrey was around to give him those antibiotics for his STD; I'll bet he couldn't have afforded those healthcare prices after giving the shirt off his back to charity.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    I mean, yeah, if you don't do that then you're just Elon Musk or Vladimir Putin which we pretty much all agree is a horrible person.

    Kind of weird to see you arguing that you don't believe in the morale value of charity.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Kind of weird to see you arguing that you don't believe in the morale value of charity.

    Kind of weird that you're acting like stealing hundreds of billions through monopolization and exploitation and then giving some portion of it back is praiseworthy. Charity has moral value when you earned the money you have, not when you're giving part of your ill-gotten gains back; that's a partial offset, not a bonus.

    Again, you could look at someone like Jimmy Buffett who just, you know, made his fortune being a pretty cool guy whose art people loved enough to pay for it, but you're still ride-or-die for your favorite child rapist-hobnobbing, cheating, ruthlessly corporatistic and monopolistic Trump-ass-kissing thief of hundreds of billions of dollars under the justification that he gave some of it to charity.

    World's best centibillionaire? Quite possibly almost by default. Best billionaire? Impressively stupid take.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, and now you're trying to warp Gates' building of a multitrillion-dollar monopolistic megacorp and donating part of his personal profits to charity into something akin to Robin Hood. Yeah, dude, the ruthless capitalist centibillionaire personally deciding who lives and who dies is practically a folk hero. And hey, he's even out there donating money for syphilis research, which could help underprivileged associates of pedophile financiers who cheat on their wives.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    I sorta hear where you're coming from but I think for most people, someone getting out there and shooting someone is a million times more ballsy and proactive than we'll ever be. Agreed that it was misguided/naive though. I think it's hard to know what will actually bring about the much needed change.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    I'll take one more Bernie Sanders over a million idiots with guns.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Bernie Sanders is well loved, but also extremely old, and doesn't seem to have passed the torch to the next generation of like minded politicians.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Bernie Sanders is well loved, but also extremely old, and doesn’t seem to have passed the torch to the next generation of like minded politicians.

    I mean what would you call AOC, and Mandami, there's no torch, Bernie is 1 of 100 senators. He's never tried to sell himself as some special perfect person. Isn't any time he endorses someone that passing the torch. He doesn't have to step down to have an air apparent. I'm sure if someone with good ideas went to run in vermont he'd probably step down for it. but right now the game is national, and he's playing it on a national level.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I mean what would you call AOC, and Mandami,

    Young.

    (Sorry. Had to.)

    An 84 year old shouldn't be in that position no matter how they outwardly appear. He's doing a fine job but he could be doing a better job helping to build more "1 in 100"s to make a change.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Well he has endorsed a lot of people over the years, actually went on tour after the 2024 election ended to get people across the USA more involved in politics at every level and vowing to support then in the midterms.

    I follow him on YouTube and he does A LOT of rallies. They seem pretty cool, they always have some local musicians play a few songs before he goes on.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Why is he still in his seat when he's well past retirement age? Why doesn't he have a successor? He's 84.

    RBG was 87 when she died, and she held onto that position long enough to have a Republican appoint her replacement.

    I like Bernie but I'm concerned why he hasn't passed the touch.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I think the key is he's in a local position. Point is no matter what, his "replacement" has to run and win. Point is, he helps good people win wherever they happen to be. For the most part senator isn't an entry level job. Right now I'd say it's fair to say Bernie is to my knowledge the best currently sitting senator, if I'm missing something blatant he's at minimum top 5.

    Senate isn't exactly a position where you can pick an heir apparent, and for the most part people can only win with experience winning a mayorship, governor or house of representatives seat first. Fact is there's 99 senate seats with people not as good as him to replace, 465 house seats, 50 governors, tons of mayorships etc... that he can throw his weight at besides his own. Yes it would be great if there was a 40ish year old bright and scrappy contender for senate in vermont that bernies endorsement would make a shoe in... but to my knowledge there isn't.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think the key is he’s in a local position

    Sanders is a Senator. Are we defining Senators as local, now?

    Senate isn’t exactly a position where you can pick an heir apparent

    It's a tough pill to swallow that our favorite guy should have stepped down at least a cycle ago due to his age. If a dude from his party is elected next, it'll be really unfortunate.

    Yes it would be great if there was a 40ish year old bright and scrappy contender for senate in vermont that bernies endorsement would make a shoe in… but to my knowledge there isn’t.

    This is the problem. Why isn't there?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Sanders is a Senator. Are we defining Senators as local, now?

    Why wouldn't we, in a country with a population of about 230 million people, about half a million are qualified to actually run for office there, because you have to live in Vermont.

    This is the problem. Why isn’t there?

    Why aren't there 2 in every state is the real question. I'd say among the issues is, 1. again senator isn't entry level, So people who Bernie reached in his 2016 presidential bid, are still getting their feet in the door, pushing through the beurocracy and the pacs trying to keep them from getting elected to lower offices etc...

    and yeah a lot of it is to be blamed on us the voters, that there's not enough of us showing up for the primaries. and just not enough people that want to do good, that are taking the swim into politics.

    Really that's probably the key problem on the whole. Politics as a whole is a really tough career field to get into, and it's very analogous to starting a business. You need to spend a ton of money and survive with 100% of your time being devoted to trying to start, with only a possible chance of eventually making money IF you can somehow stay afloat for a year with no income. Which sadly is why it creates this world where 99% of people making it through politics are nepo babies and people who have already sold their loyalty to big money.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    All revolutions start with martyrs

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  • [+] -26 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    No, actually, I can't think of any successful revolutions that have? Generally, the death or incarceration of a figurehead harms the movement dramatically.

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  • [+] 14 points 4 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    That's not hard. Nelson Mandela, Václav Havel, José Mujica, Kim Dae-jung. I lived in Czechia under Havel and it was certainly the greatest moment in history I will ever experience. It still gives me hope for humanity.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Nelson Mandela died in 2013, though he is a good choice for being imprisoned for 27 years it is difficult to say that it in any way helped his cause since Apartheid lasted from the 1940s to 1994. He got a lot more done after being released in 1990 I tell you that much. It also didn't hurt to have people like POTUS Bill Clinton on his side.

    Havel was cool but being the first and final president of Czechoslovakia isn't all that "revolutionary ".

    Jose Mujica again a revolutionary in his youth and a normal politician in his later years.

    Kim Dae-Jung...

    Do you dudes have no idea what a successful revolution is? Because it isn't slow legislative reform. That's kind of the crux of the issue, all of these men had the sense to do what Luigi did not: pursue peaceful political reform and increase civillian engagement in democratic politics.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I like people who weren't captured imprisoned

    • FiniteBanjo

    P.S. put up or shut up, if the world needs more Bernies like you say than step the fuck up or get out of the fucking way.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    People like Luigi Cultists are the ones in the way. They don't want Bernies. They don't want people participating in "the system". They want violence.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Lol who is "they"? Got any examples?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    If you believe it is organic you can find over 115 of them right up there. Luigi Cultists, who reject the reality of his impact and substitute their own.

    Though, given how hard it is to get that much engagement on a post much less a comment, it most certainly is not organic.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Okay sooo... what does your OP have to do with Senator Bernie Sanders again? It's not like it's impossible to support multiple paths of action, that's pretty par for the course in political movements. You shitting on one for not having immediate success just strikes as hypocritical and, ironically, not useful to the movement.

    But those bots, oof yeah. big-luigi at it again siccing dozens of phoney Lemmy downvotes on poor, uh, you. If it wasn't for them then I and everyone else would probably agree with you.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    If you become a Luigi Mangione you can never become a Bernie Sanders. Mutual exclusivity. Even if you become a political icon it will always be clear that you prefer the path of violence over all other action.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah, I can't be both, what's your point? One person isn't a movement.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Thats the same as saying tens of millions of people who voted for Donald Trump are not responsible for Donald Trump.

    You are responsible for your actions and the words you speak, here or anywhere else, hold meaning.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    What are you saying? That tacit approval of the actions of Luigi hurts the universal healthcare movement similarly to a vote for Donald Trump? Do you have any evidence that the shooting took any wind out of Bernie's sails at all?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Things need not be equal, there is a magnitude scale of good and evil.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Then I am once again asking, how has Luigi Mangione hurt the universal healthcare movement? Where's the "evil"? You've been squirming around the question like a rotten politician this entire thread. If you say that killing a mass-killer who otherwise wouldn't have seen justice is evil, then fine, that's a matter of morality and we'll just have to disagree; we can end the conversation there. But if you claim that Luigi hurt the universal healthcare movement somehow, outweighing the attention he brought to it, then please, show me some evidence. I can't take you seriously if all you've got is vibes.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I haven't squirmed one bit but if you think I'm going to play whackamole as you sealion the same question I already answered over and over then you're just dumb.

    Luigi worshippers don't want people participating in democratic actions, do not want people to become like Bernie Sanders. They want more violence. They are mutually exclusive political ideologies, if you promote both then you're working against yourself.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yes yes, so you've stated, source: "FiniteBanjo". "These are the dots" you say, but you refuse to draw the line between them. I'll tell you now, there is none. Bernie's faced a lot of obstacles in his decades fighting the good fight, but Luigi ain't one of them, not in the first 100, not in the first 1000. At least Luigi tried something (ya know, allegedly) and got more people talking about this. It's not what I would've done, but I don't blame him, in fact I won't. You're fighting the wrong front here. Have a good night.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Accomplish no changes in the system he opposed? At the very least he heightened awareness of the atrocious evils of health insurance, and now [CEOs who knows they're evil] have reinforced their security probably.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    It wasn't that Luigi heightened awareness it was that heightened awareness led to a Luigi (not to say Luigi's actions were a reasonable response, mind you).

    UHC had been in the news for months for their overt corruption. Many legislators had already publicly condemned them whiched to some limited policy reversal around the time of the assassination.

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