Doc_Crankenstein comments on Bring them back!!!

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It is bad science because there’s no reason to be doing the science at all

This just rounds itself back to capitalism being the problem because the science was being done for a reason: to generate profit for Hammond.

Bad science is usually always conducted to suit the ends of someone trying to use the results for manipulative/exploitative purposes.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That’s just a dumb way to act like those scientists don’t have a will of their own. Those scientists have ethics (or a lack thereof). They have their own will. They are not forced to work on the project that has no scientific outcome. They’re either working on it because they’re bad scientists, because they’re evil, or because they think it’s cool. All of which is bad science. It’s not capitalism’s fault. It’s unethical scientists.

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

It is 100% capitalism's fault. Those scientists are doing a job because we live in a society that necessitates having one to meet our basic needs.

We don't know their individual lives or circumstances that could be forcing them to take on that position, but we do know that those circumstances only exist due to the overarching system, i.e. the capitalist economy, they live under.

Your take is grade-school level simplistic that just assumes they simply have to be bad people instead of understanding the complexities of systemic forces that dictate our society.

Please, for the love of God, learn to look beyond the surface of something and learn why things are the way they are instead of just assuming nonsense.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

It is 100% capitalism’s fault. Those scientists are doing a job because we live in a society that necessitates having one to meet our basic needs.

absolutely not...

Your take is grade-school level simplistic that just assumes they simply have to be bad people instead of understanding the complexities of systemic forces that dictate our society.

no. My take is that if you remove capitalism, can the bad science still occur? Is it possible at all for it to occur? Yes. Since the scientists are the ones doing the science. It's not business doing the science, it's not capitalists doing the science. It's the scientists doing the science.

And they don't have to be bad people at all. They just have to not think about the consequences of their actions. Inattentive, ignorant, unable to think more than a few minutes into the future. None of these things make them bad people. But it does make them bad scientists. And it does make the science bad.

Please, for the love of God, learn to look beyond the surface of something and learn why things are the way they are instead of just assuming nonsense.

holy shit, you're the one not looking beyond the surface of something. Capitalism is always the boogie man for people like you. Like for fucks sake dude, scientists can be bad. Science can be bad! We literally have bad scientists in the white house right now claiming all sorts of shit that is going to get people killed! And it has nothing to do with capitalism. RFK Jr literally believes the bullshit he says, and it's because of bad science, not because he's being paid to say it.

Think about Jurassic Park like this: if those scientists were given those tools and told to build a park and told they weren't going to be paid for it, but all the tools they needed would be given to them, could the park be built? Now ask the exact same question but replace scientists with "capitalist": "if capitalists were given science tools and told to build a park and told they weren't going to be paid for it, but all the tools they needed would be given to them, could the park be built."

The answer is incredibly clear. Without the scientists, the park would never be built. It doesn't matter how much money exists on the planet. It doesn't matter if it's capitalism, communism, anarchism, whatever-fucking-system, the park isn't being built without the bad science. It doesn't matter how many other employees you put on that island, the park isn't getting built without the bad science.

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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago*

I never said science can't be bad, Again, your myopic take is so fucking simplistic and surface level. You even admit to intentionally ignoring systemic reality as if it is inconsequential, which is fucking stupidity at its finest. Like, congratulations for stating the obvious: you need people to perform labor for something to happen. No fucking shit, Sherlock. Now that we have the obvious out of the way, maybe ask yourself why they are performing that labor and what are the system forces that drive thar labor to he performed in the first place?

It isn't about could the park be built, but would it have been built. The answer to that is no, it wouldn't have been built in the first place if not for the driving forces of capitalism (represented by Hammond, the capitalist owner who had controlling authority over the park's production) dictating the actions of those who actually labored in the production of the park. The park also couldn't have been built without the engineers who constructed the subpar infrastructure or an IT tech to create and install the park's faulty security system.

Those engineers built the park the way they did because Hammond didn't want to pay extra for fail-safes as noted in the book (i.e. the capitalist owner was driven by the profit incentive to neglect material conditions of the park) And the IT systems failed because Hammond decided to neglect staff pay, specifically Nedry, in favor of chasing the capitalist profit incentive. This same logic applies to the scientists who only conducted the research they were conducting because they were hired by Hammond to specifically do so.

Again, please fucking learn to look beyond the surface and critically examine things. I know it's difficult but you can do it if you actually try.

And yes, bad science is being spouted from the white house. Did you never stop to think why RFK Jr was put in that position of authority to spout his bullshit from? Did it never occur that some people would be set to benefit from the spreading of misinformation? It's explicitly so they can manipulate people into being okay with dismantling government functions so the oligarchy can pocket the savings from not having to spend government money on welfare.

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