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[–] lauha@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (8 children) Explanation? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) I am not a topologist, but I can try.. A space (shape) is contractible if you can "contract" (shrink) it to a point without cutting, pinching or punching through holes. For example, a mattress is contractible, since you can shrink it to the center - each point can follow the line to the center, continuously. Meanwhile, a doughnut, a circle or a hollow sphere are not contractible, you can never remove the inner "hole" to shrink to a point without cutting. In general, any dimensional sphere is not contractible... Until it is - infinite dimensional sphere is contractible. Somehow, it loses the "hollow space" inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zipsglacier@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 child) For each finite dimension n (1, or 2, or 3, etc...), the sphere in dimension n can't be contracted because of that empty n-dimensional space it surrounds. But that same sphere is the "equator" of the sphere in the next higher dimension, n+1. There, the n-dimensional equator can contract along one of the hemispheres, to a pole. But then that whole (n+1)-dimensional sphere still isn't contractible, because of the (n+1)-dimensional space it surrounds. BUT the (n+1)-dimensional sphere can contract along one of the hemispheres in the (n+2)-dimensional sphere. And so on. For any particular finite dimension n, there is an n-dimensional obstruction to contracting the sphere in that dimension. But if you go all the way to infinitely-many dimensions, there is no obstruction that ever stops contractibility of the infinite-dimensional sphere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Ty permalink fedilink source parent [–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Sphere refers to the surface area, correct? Ball would be the volume inside? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Indeed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dont@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) On what level? A proof? Or just the meaning of the words? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lauha@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago What is contractible in mathematics? Wikipedia had article on contractible spaces but that was way beyond be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kogasa@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contractibility_of_unit_sphere_in_Hilbert_space I can offer no ELI5 but here's the context permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children) I am not a topologist, but I can try.. A space (shape) is contractible if you can "contract" (shrink) it to a point without cutting, pinching or punching through holes. For example, a mattress is contractible, since you can shrink it to the center - each point can follow the line to the center, continuously. Meanwhile, a doughnut, a circle or a hollow sphere are not contractible, you can never remove the inner "hole" to shrink to a point without cutting. In general, any dimensional sphere is not contractible... Until it is - infinite dimensional sphere is contractible. Somehow, it loses the "hollow space" inside. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zipsglacier@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 child) For each finite dimension n (1, or 2, or 3, etc...), the sphere in dimension n can't be contracted because of that empty n-dimensional space it surrounds. But that same sphere is the "equator" of the sphere in the next higher dimension, n+1. There, the n-dimensional equator can contract along one of the hemispheres, to a pole. But then that whole (n+1)-dimensional sphere still isn't contractible, because of the (n+1)-dimensional space it surrounds. BUT the (n+1)-dimensional sphere can contract along one of the hemispheres in the (n+2)-dimensional sphere. And so on. For any particular finite dimension n, there is an n-dimensional obstruction to contracting the sphere in that dimension. But if you go all the way to infinitely-many dimensions, there is no obstruction that ever stops contractibility of the infinite-dimensional sphere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Ty permalink fedilink source parent [–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Sphere refers to the surface area, correct? Ball would be the volume inside? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Indeed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zipsglacier@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 child) For each finite dimension n (1, or 2, or 3, etc...), the sphere in dimension n can't be contracted because of that empty n-dimensional space it surrounds. But that same sphere is the "equator" of the sphere in the next higher dimension, n+1. There, the n-dimensional equator can contract along one of the hemispheres, to a pole. But then that whole (n+1)-dimensional sphere still isn't contractible, because of the (n+1)-dimensional space it surrounds. BUT the (n+1)-dimensional sphere can contract along one of the hemispheres in the (n+2)-dimensional sphere. And so on. For any particular finite dimension n, there is an n-dimensional obstruction to contracting the sphere in that dimension. But if you go all the way to infinitely-many dimensions, there is no obstruction that ever stops contractibility of the infinite-dimensional sphere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Ty permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) Sphere refers to the surface area, correct? Ball would be the volume inside? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] someacnt@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago Indeed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dont@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 child) On what level? A proof? Or just the meaning of the words? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lauha@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago What is contractible in mathematics? Wikipedia had article on contractible spaces but that was way beyond be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lauha@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago What is contractible in mathematics? Wikipedia had article on contractible spaces but that was way beyond be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kogasa@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contractibility_of_unit_sphere_in_Hilbert_space I can offer no ELI5 but here's the context permalink fedilink source parent