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  • [–] 89 points 7 months ago (45 children)

    You actually should advocate for violence against people who are violating your rights

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago* (14 children)

    facebook knowing my personal information against my will goes against my right to privacy. there are also the ethics of recording people in secret instead of making it very obvious. no, a blinking red dot does not count, and it can also be covered with a special purpose-made made black sticker.

    now that i think about it, I'm just not comfortable being filmed without consent by strangers at all, in any way, regardless of where the images end up.

    i don't think people should get used to it either. it's incredibly creepy, even if no law is broken where you live.

    and yes, i do understand that in many places just being in public reduces your right to privacy so that you're legally allowed to be photographed as long as you're not the focus. i don't care. still creepy.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago* (7 children)

    there's absolutely a way to draw a line. no smart glasses. even if there wasn't, no regulation for the sake of regulators being too dumb is the worst take possible.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Like respecting others' freedom to a reasonable degree of privacy.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    What fact about yourself are you least willing to share with strangers?

    If there is no way to tell if that is a reasonable question for me to ask, then by what metric do you decide whether or not to answer it? Does that metric act as a stand-in for "reasonableness" to you, and if so then how do you square it with your earlier insistence that drawing such a line is impossible? If not, why?

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    why the need for hidden recording equipment anyway? do you wanna spy on women that badly?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    The proliferation of cameras in public is not a good thing. I am yet to see data showing it reduces criminality (supposed to be the intent), meanwhile it's a massive surveillance system.

    And the fact that a given situation is bad is hardly a good argument to promote making it worse.

    Meta collects data on everyone: from contact info in cellphone through their apps, uploaded photos, videos etc. If you don't have an account nor consent to anything, they will just not show the data, but will still build the profile combining different sources and feed it to its algorithms.

    It has been a well known practice for many years.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Facebook has a profile on everyone. Accounts or not. They are just like every other data broker. All they want is access to more data and more data.

    All that medical data is the holy grail.... Anyone who thinks medical data will remain private is naive. All it takes is very deep pockets and lawmakers who want contributions to change the laws.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    *Unless Facebook does the unreasonable searching and we pay them for any data they collect

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    If I see someone filming me, I ask them to stop. That will escalate if they don’t.

    I think what people are missing here is the intention. There’s generalised filming of your surroundings, surveillance cameras…these glasses are intended for use in a social capacity. That will move into privacy issues and perverted use.

    These peoples right to use these glasses, as far as I’m concerned, does not eclipse my privacy or lack of desire to be filmed and put on Metas platforms and if I find someone using them on me they’ll be fucking told.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    *Unless Facebook is the one doing the unreasonable search, and we simply buy their data

    most likely they weren't even recording.

    Sweet summer child

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Most likely either the glasses are in a state of recording, or the wearer has no idea what it's doing. Damned! After so many scandals, people still assume Meta will do what it claims and not trick its users! Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me! Fool me 42 times, more, please MOOOOORE!

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Nope. These things can certainly take pics regularly and still last.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

    You still fail to understand you don't need to be continuously filming to monitor what's going in front of a camera.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Go ahead and test yours. Repeat after each update and check if it's location and/or time dependent.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Don't have any, obviously 🙄

    So, are you going to cut the conspiracy crap until you have evidence? Thought not.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Facebook introduces private messages. They're private. Ah, no! They sold these messages to Microsoft, Amazon and Huawei! -- They trust me, dumbfucks!
    Facebook has all interest to work for the benefits of its users. Ah, no! They literally experimented on people to see if they could make them more depressed or more happy. -- They trust me, dumbfucsk!
    Facebook has an active moderation. Ah, no! They knowingly let disinformation spread and lead to a genocide because engagement numbers were good. -- They trust me, dumbfucks!
    Instagram minds kids and their sensitivities. Ah, no! They have algorithms to exploit their insecurity because engagement numbers were good, who cares if a few of them end up depressed and kill themselves. -- They trust me, dumbfucks!
    Whatsapp has E2E because they value privacy. Ah, no! The app sends home a copy of the private key on demand, rendering the whole thing pointless. -- They trust me, dumbfucks.

    Meta's glasses would never take a picture without their wearer's explicit consent.

    Fortunately for them, some people are really really really dumbfucks to a point Forrest Gump would look like a genius next to them.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You don't have the right not to be filmed in public.

    Uhhhh, you actually do.* I am not sure if you know, but different places have different laws.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    It's easy to see someone holding up a camera or cell phone making it obvious they are recording. If you don't want to be recorded, you can just stay the fuck away from them. You can't avoid cameras/recording devices you can't see. Fuck meta, and fuck anyone else wearing their garbage, privacy invading glasses.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    People with legal issues, immigration issues or violent exes will absolutely dip if they see someone recording. I have none of these problems and I will always avoid gettIng recorded by randos if it’s easy to do so. I can’t reasonably avoid every Ring cam in my neighborhood but I will happily slide 10 feet to the left to avoid becoming collateral damage in some dbags insta reel.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    If I spot one in a public place, and I start filming them while shouting "Are you recording a video right now with these smartglasses?", I guess that would be totally fine, right? No reason to make them uncomfortable, because they'll be in their right.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    It's absolutely legal to film them as you said, and it is absolutely legal to speak up. If that makes them uncomfortable, that's entirely their problem, isn't it?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    You'll understand when you'll be surrounded by parents wondering if you're secretly filming or taking pics of their kids.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    If you orientate your phone with cameras towards people, they'll assume you're taking pics or filming. Otherwise, it's a general purpose device.

    If you wear creep-glasses designed to secretly take pics or film people, a lot of people will assume you're secretly taking pics or filming.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The glasses are much more difficult to detect than someone holding up a phone to record. Will the glasses always look super obvious? The old Google ones were ginormous, I don’t know if I would recognize the FB ones in the wild.

    You can generally tell when a phone camera is pointed in your general direction within a reasonable range. It’s uncommon enough for people to do this in public outside of large crowds (concerts, sporting events, etc) that avoiding those situations isn’t an undue burden. With the glasses, can you tell whether they’re recording or do you just have to assume that they’re always recording?

    This is a non trivial escalation and I will definitely shun and or shame anyone I encounter with this trash tech.

    And there is nothing wrong with hating Zuck, his companies and the other billionaires destroying society. If you don’t have issues with existential threats then that is a bigger issue.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It’s easy to see someone holding up a camera or cell phone making it obvious they are recording.

    Really? I routinely keep my phone in my breast pocket whenever I wear a shirt with one, and enough of it sticks out for the camera to see above the top of the pocket. I'd look no different recording or not, let alone it being obvious if I'm doing it. It'd be shaky body-cam style footage, but that's not the point.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    A clear violation of the social contract deserves a swift response. Those glasses come off your face, and onto the pavement.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    When you say "fascist", you do realize that fascism involves crowd control and these glasses are a dream for a fascist regime? All the speech about "cameras everywhere is ok" falls right in the authoritarianism thinking, that's just a step from fascism.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Nah, I see someone wearing a nazi armband, they are getting decked. It's still assault and against the law, but still the right thing to do in regards to maintaining the social contract.

    Political violence is sometimes necessary unfortunately.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    You don't believe there is a risk the people storing and using tjat footage data could use it for violence or inflicting even in it's broadest definition of violence?

    But that isn't my point. I was always concerned with the political violence is never the answer sentiments.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    This account ^ is going very far out of its way to make very bad points and overlook obvious gaping privacy violations, which are things that can be both identified and stopped.

    The takeaway of massively privacy invading glasses is they can always be stopped at both the individual and the systemic level.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    You really want these glasses, don't you? You're smart enough to debate the hypothetical, but miss the obvious point that new things will not be regulated as they should be, so the law doesn't function as it should in this situation. You cling tightly to the law as if it's doing what it's meant to do, when we both know you'd be taking advantage of the lack of laws for no clear benefit.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    This may be perfectly legal but it is absolutely a dick move and people will HATE you for it. The are so many scenarios where perfectly reasonable people will find this behavior extremely unsettling, at best, and possibly threatening.

    And you are incorrect in assuming that “there would be nothing [the subject] can do about it “. In the real world there are plenty of people who will risk an assault charge to deal with someone being a disrespectful dick, and many more who will act if they feel threatened.

    Now, might doesn’t make right, but are you right? Going against social norms and risking extrajudicial retaliation to fight injustice is commendable. But this isn’t sitting at a lunch counter during segregation or protesting at Stonewall. In a world where 1 in 3 women will be stalked in her lifetime ( in the US according to the Justice Department), why is this the hill you want to die upon?

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