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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 37 points 10 months ago (9 children) Possibly the most complex language in the animal kingdom That... seems wrong. permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (2 children) To be fair I think they meant "most accoustically complex language" which is different from like human languages (which have a degree of nonverbal complexity and ideation clearly beyond whales) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Tonal Languages have entered the chat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago Good luck producing super sonic frequencies. These whales seem to have sonar as factory default equipment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 10 months ago (5 children) How so? (I'm assuming OOP is using the common definition of "animal" to exclude humans.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago I think they left out a descriptor for the type of complexity which when we're talking about "measures of complexity" is an important detail. I'm guessing they mean accoustic complexity which is used to categorize things like birdsongs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (3 children) They didn't use the common definition, they specified the animal kingdom. That definitely includes humans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago We like to think we aren’t animals. You’re attaching meaning to a combination of words that is far too common to guarantee any kind of single definition. People don’t like to think they’re animals. Call it whatever you like, in a context like this they almost certainly do not mean to include humans. And heck, do either of us actually know enough about sperm whale communication to say it ain’t? I’m sure Korea’s twelve levels of politeness probably has them beat, but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago OK but no-one knows for certain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] duramu@beehaw.org -2 points 10 months ago Ooooo yeah baby, um ackshully a little harder permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (2 children) To be fair I think they meant "most accoustically complex language" which is different from like human languages (which have a degree of nonverbal complexity and ideation clearly beyond whales) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Tonal Languages have entered the chat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago Good luck producing super sonic frequencies. These whales seem to have sonar as factory default equipment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Tonal Languages have entered the chat permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago Good luck producing super sonic frequencies. These whales seem to have sonar as factory default equipment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago Good luck producing super sonic frequencies. These whales seem to have sonar as factory default equipment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 10 months ago (5 children) How so? (I'm assuming OOP is using the common definition of "animal" to exclude humans.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago I think they left out a descriptor for the type of complexity which when we're talking about "measures of complexity" is an important detail. I'm guessing they mean accoustic complexity which is used to categorize things like birdsongs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (3 children) They didn't use the common definition, they specified the animal kingdom. That definitely includes humans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago We like to think we aren’t animals. You’re attaching meaning to a combination of words that is far too common to guarantee any kind of single definition. People don’t like to think they’re animals. Call it whatever you like, in a context like this they almost certainly do not mean to include humans. And heck, do either of us actually know enough about sperm whale communication to say it ain’t? I’m sure Korea’s twelve levels of politeness probably has them beat, but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago OK but no-one knows for certain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] duramu@beehaw.org -2 points 10 months ago Ooooo yeah baby, um ackshully a little harder permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago I think they left out a descriptor for the type of complexity which when we're talking about "measures of complexity" is an important detail. I'm guessing they mean accoustic complexity which is used to categorize things like birdsongs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago (3 children) They didn't use the common definition, they specified the animal kingdom. That definitely includes humans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago We like to think we aren’t animals. You’re attaching meaning to a combination of words that is far too common to guarantee any kind of single definition. People don’t like to think they’re animals. Call it whatever you like, in a context like this they almost certainly do not mean to include humans. And heck, do either of us actually know enough about sperm whale communication to say it ain’t? I’m sure Korea’s twelve levels of politeness probably has them beat, but still. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago OK but no-one knows for certain. permalink fedilink source parent [–] duramu@beehaw.org -2 points 10 months ago Ooooo yeah baby, um ackshully a little harder permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago We like to think we aren’t animals. You’re attaching meaning to a combination of words that is far too common to guarantee any kind of single definition. People don’t like to think they’re animals. Call it whatever you like, in a context like this they almost certainly do not mean to include humans. And heck, do either of us actually know enough about sperm whale communication to say it ain’t? I’m sure Korea’s twelve levels of politeness probably has them beat, but still. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works -4 points 10 months ago OK but no-one knows for certain. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duramu@beehaw.org -2 points 10 months ago Ooooo yeah baby, um ackshully a little harder permalink fedilink source parent