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Beware, another "wonderful" conservative instance to "free us" has appeared (media.piefed.world)
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[–] 99 points 1 year ago (69 children)

I've always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?

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  • [–] 140 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Ideals don’t matter to them, what matters is spreading their propaganda far and wide.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I've been alive.

    They don't care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it's a lie while they smile and say they're being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.

    Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    They lie because they believe they'll be part of the "in-group", while in reality, they are going to be censored the moment their higher-up has the ability to turn on them without retribution.

    They are fools, but not to be underestimated.

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  • [–] [S] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nobody is saying that they can't, mostly what you'll get is calls for defederation.

    Calling for defederation is a matter of simply not accepting content or voting from the targeted instance. Everyone has the right to spin up an instance for whatever they believe, but everyone else also has the right to not pass your content through their servers or display it to their users

    This isn't to call to shut them down, this is to raise awareness so people can update block lists, instance admins to investigate/check with their users/mods on what they want to do

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Because I don’t want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is your argument here that your preferred way to deal with cockroaches is to let them have the run of your house? Hard to red anything rose out of that, given the context.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Might wanna work on your writing skills there, hoss, because your comment reads exactly as described.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You’re not making much sense to me. I ask this sincerely and without prejudice or malice. Are you feeling alright? Do you believe that having someone to talk to might help?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It’s perfectly fine to be frustrated, but please avoid demeaning others. I couldn’t detect sarcasm in either comment, so I read them straight. Lemmy is so averse to sarcasm that I can rarely notice it when it’s there. Were you initially speaking sarcastically?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    They're totally allowed to, just as we're totally allowed to defederate or block or whatever. The question is why are they here, when they have taken over all the mainstream places and don't really need a federated niche community.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?

    They're allowed to make an instance, the software can't stop them. They're not required to be federated with.

    Just like how you can say anything you want, you're not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They go everywhere because even if a bunch of people are like “fuck off nazis” there will be a few people that are like “oh hey you have some good ideas”.

    That’s why they’ve been recruiting online since the beginning of the internet. Capture whoever you can that’s sympathetic and keep bolstering numbers by any means necessary. Worked out pretty well for them

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They need an audience to perform for. When ever you see a social media "safe space" for conservatives (Voat, Truth Social, etc.) they almost always wither and die. They need people to blame for being everything wrong with the world as well as react to their terrible takes, otherwise there's no point in shouting their outrage and anger on the internet.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as "they get off on ruining your day cuz they're miserable pieces of shit." Speaking from experience.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People can change. Even if that baby thinks they can’t.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    Even if that baby thinks they can’t.

    I worry you're right.

    That video is like a weirdly nostalgic confessional of my time in D.C. I was a huge piece of shit. Systematic theology book. Capitol Hill job. Little bitty bow ties. Speakeasies. Pork stuffed potatoes at Dixie Bones. People can change.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Tl;dr version:

    Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say "it's not doing anything" and also take your sister-in-law's portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you're on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to...)

    Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ok so I've got to make like the CIA and put lsd in fhe water supply? Got it. /s obviously

    Funny though as me and a friend found religion through acid, though we stayed progressive. I do really wish more people would go trip in pursuit of better understanding of shared humanity

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If they get defederated, they just spin up a new instance and keep spreading their hate.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They got to emigrate the istance users aswell. Seems like a loosing game.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    If the thousand instance users are controlled by three people, it's not that hard.

    We might not be there yet though. Elections are far enough out.

    I expect 95% of Lemmy to be propaganda and manipulation when we get closer. There's only so much that can be done to keep out nation states when all the users are anonymous.

    And when you put your real name on things, you get cancelled.

    It's a bad time for the Internet, and I don't have easy answers. Just be very aware that what seems to be "consensus" opinion might actually be twenty accounts controlled by the same guy or organization. They might even argue with each other, and just have the side they want to lose present weak arguments.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is that really true though?

    When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.

    Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn't apply to American "conservatives" who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.

    The "marketplace of ideas" phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Hey Jimmy Kimmel, how do you like that marketplace of ideas? I heard conservatives sure do value that marketplace. Why can't I hear you Jimmy?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

    Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there's no evidence "the left" killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    FOSS is for everyone. Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn't uniquely a leftist ideal, and it should be obvious by now that the political affiliation and community guidelines of big tech companies are entirely dependent on the current political landscape, not any moral values or held ideals, and can change at any moment.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn't uniquely a leftist ideal

    Are you sure? most people working on projects against big tech tend to be very left leaning. The conservatives love using the appeal of authority to silence minorities and voices they don't like.

    Right wing creeping up to take control of these spaces doesn't make it their ideal.

    I could be wrong. Can you name some popular projects against big tech by conservatives?

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