They would have one either way - I mean, just look at Twitter, Reddit, FOX News. Even when there weren't such NAZI spaces bought and paid for by billionaires, NAZIs had their own websites, mailing lists and whatever.

Weakenning the freedom inherent to the Fediverse's implementation just because the NAZIs might use it to create their own space is just indirectly constraining yourself because of the NAZIs, which IMHO is the opposite of what we should be doing.

Would you defend changing HTTP(S) and HTML to somehow stop NAZIs using it because as they are now they can be used by NAZIs to spread their message? How about e-mail? How about pen and paper?

You can't just throw the baby with the bathwater "because NAZIs".

If you really want to stop NAZI messaging altogether you can't do it by Technical means, you have to do it by Social and Political means - Laws Censoring NAZI messaging - and even there, look at Germany that does it and all they seem to have achieved is that the NAZI symbology is hidden whilst a large part of the NAZI way of things is widespread in society (hence the AfD success) and some elements of it are even shared by the majority (hence Germany's very overtly race-justified unconditional support of a nation commiting a Genocide). De facto Germany's banning of NAZIsm hasn't stopped the kind of Fascism like in the US right now or the AfD there, were they use the NAZI propaganda techniques and share many ideological elements with the NAZIs but just don't use NAZI symbols.

Oh hey no I don't think we have to hear them out. Especially not if they're coming out with hate speech - that shit should always be smacked down hard. When they start doing that, we can defed the fuckers - but they haven't done that yet.

Maybe I'm too soft, I just don't wanna see lemmy turn into an echo chamber.

I mean, have you ever interacted with Hexbear? The right doesn't have a monopoly on being awful.

I don't think we should tolerate them. This is what we always hear from them when we tell them to fuck off - how many times have we seen "So much for the tolerant left!" Yeah, we are tolerant of pretty much anything that doesn't harm others - aside from intolerance itself.

I dunno, I just don't like the idea of defeding ppl just because of their political leanings. I'd rather wait til they start spewing hateful shit and then defed the fuckers.

But I can understand ppl who wanna keep lemmy clean of bigots. I just think we gotta wait til they show their colours then kick them to the curb. That's me, though, I respect that others don't feel the same.

MAGA cunts aren’t “conservatives”, they are outright fascists.

Conservatism IS fascism, with "nicer words"... Until they seize power, then the nice words stop.

The good thing is that all sane instances can just defederate and we won't have to deal with them. They can use the software all they want, and we can shut them out from our spaces all we want.

Yeah I guess I failed to distinguish between maga and conservatives. I don't want to see lemmy become an echo chamber, and usually you can disagree but debate with conservatives. Fascists, not so much. Don't get me wrong, I think Nazis should be stomped online and out in the world - I just haven't seen anything yet from this instance to justify that.

I actually feel kinda sorry for oldskool conservatives - I don't agree with em, but they must feel politically homeless these days.

But yeah, bigots can fuck right off.

Maga is conservatism. Stop trying to separate the two, they are the same fucking thing.

So super short version is a conservative dude or three tried to create /c/conservative and were immediately drowned out and made fun of, then they transferred moderation to others who now use it to make fun of republicans