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[–] McMonster@programming.dev 285 points 1 year ago (39 children) IT people hate computers. permalink fedilink source hideshow 39 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 184 points 1 year ago (23 children) IT people hate computers. IT people hate users. IT people hate other IT people. We're just a surly lot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] thessnake03@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 child) You just made an enemy for life! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago You IT people sure are a contentious bunch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 47 points 1 year ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The complicated thing here is there are so many layers of abstraction to make things easier to use and understand that if you didn't age with the tech, it's really hard to fully understand. That's everything. I see Angular and React developers who don't understand CSS. My last position, we had classes that set sizes for everything in multiples of 4 pixels. So size-1 is 4 pixels, size-2 is 8 pixels, etc. And everything was sized with those classes. Which means if you ever wanted to resize anything, you have to go to every element and change the class instead of you know, having input controls have distinct classes. People are layering on abstraction without understanding why and throwing away all the benefits, time to invent another abstraction layer! I had my tech lead argue with me that this was a better system because "standards". I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. I got started learning transistors and Boolean algebra and programming an 8-bit cpu in college. Had computers for a few years before that. It's surprising how many conditionals I see that can be simplified by Boolean algebra. I don't actually hate computers, and I try to give IT workers some grace because I'm not always proud of the work I do when I have to finish 3 months of work in two weeks. But I've worked with a lot of folks who aren't curious or looking to learn and improve, and I have to wonder why they ever got into IT in the first place. For me the worst part of IT is the god damned management. Any possible productivity gains from agile are undercut at every turn by management who has to have a concrete promise of a delivery date before they even define the ask. Anyway, sorry for the rant. Started my long weekend early and starting a new job next week, so I have a lot of pent up rants from my last company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, but there are so many layers of giants that it's hard to see the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* Why does it feel like im getting stepped on by giants? permalink fedilink source parent [–] riskable@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. Ahahahahahahaha! Oh man, you got a good laugh out of me this morning 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, there's idiots and there's idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that's evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot) permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago Thing is, back in those days computers were deterministic. A certain action caused a certain reaction, and always the same reaction (given the same context). Anyone could learn that, as long as they bothered to read the screen (a surprisingly rare talent, to be fair). Now, at least on windows, it's anyone's guess what random mayhem a certain action might cause, or where the interface to perform that action has gone after the last update, supposing it still exists and the system survived the update. No one can learn that. And anyone foolish enough to try will certainly be driven insane. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don't understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them. There also so many things restricting the usage of the tool. Every week my scanner tells me it has a new software update and I cannot install a simple update without admin access, so I have to call help desk and have them remote into my computer so they can click the "ok" botton. Everything is so walled off there's no reason to learn how any of it works because you have no access. When the security bios update (forget what it was called) fucked everyone's computers last year I found a fix online and could have easily went to several locations and got them up and running, but no one on site has the access to boot into safe mode and instead we all just sat on hold with help desk for 2 days waiting for IT to do the thing I already knew how to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you talking about the Crowdstrike incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It seems to run on some form of electricity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] happysplinter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH! permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) true, but we also hate computers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) We hate ones setup by other people or used by other users. Our own network is a glorious shrine to the one true faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't argue with that... until something goes wrong and I hate it (really just mad at myself) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago “Dammit, what idiot set this up this way?” permalink fedilink source parent [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago My laptop windows 11? No problem. Anyone elses windows? Fucking burn it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago IT people hate people then? Checks out to me actually permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago BTKAC error permalink fedilink source parent [–] CyberTaco@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (6 children) Correction: IT people hate printers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago Correction: printers hate people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qqq@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago PC load letter? What the fuck does that mean? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Fuck printers Nom one invented a good printer still permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kramkar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I have read this ten times now, and I still can't figure out what it is supposed to mean.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Printers are known in IT to be a utter pain in the ass. Most brands are also using a lot of proprietary stuff and it limits interoperability. Drivers for example. Well known example is about ink cartridges. HP added identification chips on them, so if you want to use an other brand, not HP, to fill your printer, you can't because if no chip is detected despite a cartridge being inserted, the machine will tell you it is not genuine. Another example with Rycoh. I don't know if their printers still use this method, so take it as an example of capitalist greed more than a current situation. Laser printers are using a sealed container to process waste created during printing. Rycoh had placed a led detector inside to know when it was full and trigger an alert, stopping the machine and request for a change. Good idea in theory but in practice the detector was placed very oddly or on purpose near or in front of dust intake. So it was bathed very quickly in electrostatic dust and thus triggered the alarm very quickly, even if your container was not fully filled. The only way to solve this was to shake your waste storage, hoping it would clean the led enough to keep going for a few days or change it. Lastly, I have a Brother printer, bought to a neighbor sale. The oven inside, which is in charge of heating the ink, had a failure. It had melted. For the price, it was a deal. I only needed to buy a new part, unplug it, replace and I had a laser printer with colours. Well, Brother had lightly soldered pins linking the connector to PCB. When I unplugged it, soldering came with it. I contacted a repair store near me telling me they don't do it and I should ask for a repair to a certified Brother technician. Which is overpriced. I also can't open it fully as it is placed to be impossible to repair without disassembling half of the machine. No printer is the same, some brands are better than others. Some are well accepted on Linux with CUPS, some other not. But so far, not one brand impressed me well enough by their design to keep it open, easily fixable and long lasting. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 child) FUCK PRINTERS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dicska@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago *ZIP* permalink fedilink source parent [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) IT people hate other people using a computer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago I once had to watch a co-worker scroll to the bottom of a list using the little arrow buttons on the end of the scrollbar. Clicking, not holding. That's what my hell would be like. Doing IT support without being able to wrench the mouse out of their hands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* I hate my computer as well. That's why I have to modify it to something completely different before I am able to use it for basic text editing. I AM TALKING TO YOU EMACS PUT YOUR BACKUPS SOMEWHERE ELSE BY DEFAULT ALREADY I USE GIT permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago I'm an IT person and I like computers, as long as they've never been turned on and they stay that way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RadicalCandour@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago This absolutely applies to me. I’m so sick of computers and software and security and subscriptions and vendors. I just want my own animal sanctuary with chickens and otters and baby goats god dammit! permalink fedilink source parent [–] abir_v@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Many IT people love computers. They hate computers that other people use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 184 points 1 year ago (23 children) IT people hate computers. IT people hate users. IT people hate other IT people. We're just a surly lot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] thessnake03@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 child) You just made an enemy for life! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago You IT people sure are a contentious bunch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 47 points 1 year ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The complicated thing here is there are so many layers of abstraction to make things easier to use and understand that if you didn't age with the tech, it's really hard to fully understand. That's everything. I see Angular and React developers who don't understand CSS. My last position, we had classes that set sizes for everything in multiples of 4 pixels. So size-1 is 4 pixels, size-2 is 8 pixels, etc. And everything was sized with those classes. Which means if you ever wanted to resize anything, you have to go to every element and change the class instead of you know, having input controls have distinct classes. People are layering on abstraction without understanding why and throwing away all the benefits, time to invent another abstraction layer! I had my tech lead argue with me that this was a better system because "standards". I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. I got started learning transistors and Boolean algebra and programming an 8-bit cpu in college. Had computers for a few years before that. It's surprising how many conditionals I see that can be simplified by Boolean algebra. I don't actually hate computers, and I try to give IT workers some grace because I'm not always proud of the work I do when I have to finish 3 months of work in two weeks. But I've worked with a lot of folks who aren't curious or looking to learn and improve, and I have to wonder why they ever got into IT in the first place. For me the worst part of IT is the god damned management. Any possible productivity gains from agile are undercut at every turn by management who has to have a concrete promise of a delivery date before they even define the ask. Anyway, sorry for the rant. Started my long weekend early and starting a new job next week, so I have a lot of pent up rants from my last company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, but there are so many layers of giants that it's hard to see the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* Why does it feel like im getting stepped on by giants? permalink fedilink source parent [–] riskable@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. Ahahahahahahaha! Oh man, you got a good laugh out of me this morning 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, there's idiots and there's idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that's evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot) permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago Thing is, back in those days computers were deterministic. A certain action caused a certain reaction, and always the same reaction (given the same context). Anyone could learn that, as long as they bothered to read the screen (a surprisingly rare talent, to be fair). Now, at least on windows, it's anyone's guess what random mayhem a certain action might cause, or where the interface to perform that action has gone after the last update, supposing it still exists and the system survived the update. No one can learn that. And anyone foolish enough to try will certainly be driven insane. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don't understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them. There also so many things restricting the usage of the tool. Every week my scanner tells me it has a new software update and I cannot install a simple update without admin access, so I have to call help desk and have them remote into my computer so they can click the "ok" botton. Everything is so walled off there's no reason to learn how any of it works because you have no access. When the security bios update (forget what it was called) fucked everyone's computers last year I found a fix online and could have easily went to several locations and got them up and running, but no one on site has the access to boot into safe mode and instead we all just sat on hold with help desk for 2 days waiting for IT to do the thing I already knew how to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you talking about the Crowdstrike incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It seems to run on some form of electricity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] happysplinter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH! permalink fedilink source parent [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) true, but we also hate computers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) We hate ones setup by other people or used by other users. Our own network is a glorious shrine to the one true faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't argue with that... until something goes wrong and I hate it (really just mad at myself) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago “Dammit, what idiot set this up this way?” permalink fedilink source parent [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago My laptop windows 11? No problem. Anyone elses windows? Fucking burn it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago IT people hate people then? Checks out to me actually permalink fedilink source parent [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 year ago BTKAC error permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thessnake03@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 child) You just made an enemy for life! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago You IT people sure are a contentious bunch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago You IT people sure are a contentious bunch. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 47 points 1 year ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The complicated thing here is there are so many layers of abstraction to make things easier to use and understand that if you didn't age with the tech, it's really hard to fully understand. That's everything. I see Angular and React developers who don't understand CSS. My last position, we had classes that set sizes for everything in multiples of 4 pixels. So size-1 is 4 pixels, size-2 is 8 pixels, etc. And everything was sized with those classes. Which means if you ever wanted to resize anything, you have to go to every element and change the class instead of you know, having input controls have distinct classes. People are layering on abstraction without understanding why and throwing away all the benefits, time to invent another abstraction layer! I had my tech lead argue with me that this was a better system because "standards". I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. I got started learning transistors and Boolean algebra and programming an 8-bit cpu in college. Had computers for a few years before that. It's surprising how many conditionals I see that can be simplified by Boolean algebra. I don't actually hate computers, and I try to give IT workers some grace because I'm not always proud of the work I do when I have to finish 3 months of work in two weeks. But I've worked with a lot of folks who aren't curious or looking to learn and improve, and I have to wonder why they ever got into IT in the first place. For me the worst part of IT is the god damned management. Any possible productivity gains from agile are undercut at every turn by management who has to have a concrete promise of a delivery date before they even define the ask. Anyway, sorry for the rant. Started my long weekend early and starting a new job next week, so I have a lot of pent up rants from my last company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, but there are so many layers of giants that it's hard to see the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* Why does it feel like im getting stepped on by giants? permalink fedilink source parent [–] riskable@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. Ahahahahahahaha! Oh man, you got a good laugh out of me this morning 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, there's idiots and there's idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that's evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot) permalink fedilink source parent [–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago Thing is, back in those days computers were deterministic. A certain action caused a certain reaction, and always the same reaction (given the same context). Anyone could learn that, as long as they bothered to read the screen (a surprisingly rare talent, to be fair). Now, at least on windows, it's anyone's guess what random mayhem a certain action might cause, or where the interface to perform that action has gone after the last update, supposing it still exists and the system survived the update. No one can learn that. And anyone foolish enough to try will certainly be driven insane. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don't understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them. There also so many things restricting the usage of the tool. Every week my scanner tells me it has a new software update and I cannot install a simple update without admin access, so I have to call help desk and have them remote into my computer so they can click the "ok" botton. Everything is so walled off there's no reason to learn how any of it works because you have no access. When the security bios update (forget what it was called) fucked everyone's computers last year I found a fix online and could have easily went to several locations and got them up and running, but no one on site has the access to boot into safe mode and instead we all just sat on hold with help desk for 2 days waiting for IT to do the thing I already knew how to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you talking about the Crowdstrike incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It seems to run on some form of electricity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] happysplinter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 year ago* (5 children) The complicated thing here is there are so many layers of abstraction to make things easier to use and understand that if you didn't age with the tech, it's really hard to fully understand. That's everything. I see Angular and React developers who don't understand CSS. My last position, we had classes that set sizes for everything in multiples of 4 pixels. So size-1 is 4 pixels, size-2 is 8 pixels, etc. And everything was sized with those classes. Which means if you ever wanted to resize anything, you have to go to every element and change the class instead of you know, having input controls have distinct classes. People are layering on abstraction without understanding why and throwing away all the benefits, time to invent another abstraction layer! I had my tech lead argue with me that this was a better system because "standards". I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. I got started learning transistors and Boolean algebra and programming an 8-bit cpu in college. Had computers for a few years before that. It's surprising how many conditionals I see that can be simplified by Boolean algebra. I don't actually hate computers, and I try to give IT workers some grace because I'm not always proud of the work I do when I have to finish 3 months of work in two weeks. But I've worked with a lot of folks who aren't curious or looking to learn and improve, and I have to wonder why they ever got into IT in the first place. For me the worst part of IT is the god damned management. Any possible productivity gains from agile are undercut at every turn by management who has to have a concrete promise of a delivery date before they even define the ask. Anyway, sorry for the rant. Started my long weekend early and starting a new job next week, so I have a lot of pent up rants from my last company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, but there are so many layers of giants that it's hard to see the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* Why does it feel like im getting stepped on by giants? permalink fedilink source parent [–] riskable@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. Ahahahahahahaha! Oh man, you got a good laugh out of me this morning 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, there's idiots and there's idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that's evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 child) We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, but there are so many layers of giants that it's hard to see the ground. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* Why does it feel like im getting stepped on by giants? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* Why does it feel like im getting stepped on by giants? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] riskable@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (2 children) I'm going to assume the standard was poorly understood because I can't imagine a multi-billion dollar company hires idiots to set standards. Ahahahahahahaha! Oh man, you got a good laugh out of me this morning 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, there's idiots and there's idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that's evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean, there's idiots and there's idiots, you know? Yeah those classes should never have existed and maybe that's evidence enough of idiocy, but there is an abundance of folks smarter than me. Surely they could hire one of them... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 3 points 1 year ago nepo. babies. (i put my commwnt in the wrong spot) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago Thing is, back in those days computers were deterministic. A certain action caused a certain reaction, and always the same reaction (given the same context). Anyone could learn that, as long as they bothered to read the screen (a surprisingly rare talent, to be fair). Now, at least on windows, it's anyone's guess what random mayhem a certain action might cause, or where the interface to perform that action has gone after the last update, supposing it still exists and the system survived the update. No one can learn that. And anyone foolish enough to try will certainly be driven insane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Todays computer illiterate workforce is doomed to be incompetent because they don't understand how their main tool works. Nobody bothered to train them. There also so many things restricting the usage of the tool. Every week my scanner tells me it has a new software update and I cannot install a simple update without admin access, so I have to call help desk and have them remote into my computer so they can click the "ok" botton. Everything is so walled off there's no reason to learn how any of it works because you have no access. When the security bios update (forget what it was called) fucked everyone's computers last year I found a fix online and could have easily went to several locations and got them up and running, but no one on site has the access to boot into safe mode and instead we all just sat on hold with help desk for 2 days waiting for IT to do the thing I already knew how to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you talking about the Crowdstrike incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) Are you talking about the Crowdstrike incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago yes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) It seems to run on some form of electricity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] happysplinter@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 year ago SHUT YOUR DAMN MOUTH! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) true, but we also hate computers permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) We hate ones setup by other people or used by other users. Our own network is a glorious shrine to the one true faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't argue with that... until something goes wrong and I hate it (really just mad at myself) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago “Dammit, what idiot set this up this way?” permalink fedilink source parent [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago My laptop windows 11? No problem. Anyone elses windows? Fucking burn it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (3 children) We hate ones setup by other people or used by other users. Our own network is a glorious shrine to the one true faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't argue with that... until something goes wrong and I hate it (really just mad at myself) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago “Dammit, what idiot set this up this way?” permalink fedilink source parent [–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago My laptop windows 11? No problem. Anyone elses windows? Fucking burn it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) Can't argue with that... until something goes wrong and I hate it (really just mad at myself) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago “Dammit, what idiot set this up this way?” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lividweasel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago “Dammit, what idiot set this up this way?” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago My laptop windows 11? No problem. Anyone elses windows? Fucking burn it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago IT people hate people then? Checks out to me actually permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CyberTaco@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (6 children) Correction: IT people hate printers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago Correction: printers hate people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qqq@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago PC load letter? What the fuck does that mean? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Fuck printers Nom one invented a good printer still permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kramkar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I have read this ten times now, and I still can't figure out what it is supposed to mean.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Printers are known in IT to be a utter pain in the ass. Most brands are also using a lot of proprietary stuff and it limits interoperability. Drivers for example. Well known example is about ink cartridges. HP added identification chips on them, so if you want to use an other brand, not HP, to fill your printer, you can't because if no chip is detected despite a cartridge being inserted, the machine will tell you it is not genuine. Another example with Rycoh. I don't know if their printers still use this method, so take it as an example of capitalist greed more than a current situation. Laser printers are using a sealed container to process waste created during printing. Rycoh had placed a led detector inside to know when it was full and trigger an alert, stopping the machine and request for a change. Good idea in theory but in practice the detector was placed very oddly or on purpose near or in front of dust intake. So it was bathed very quickly in electrostatic dust and thus triggered the alarm very quickly, even if your container was not fully filled. The only way to solve this was to shake your waste storage, hoping it would clean the led enough to keep going for a few days or change it. Lastly, I have a Brother printer, bought to a neighbor sale. The oven inside, which is in charge of heating the ink, had a failure. It had melted. For the price, it was a deal. I only needed to buy a new part, unplug it, replace and I had a laser printer with colours. Well, Brother had lightly soldered pins linking the connector to PCB. When I unplugged it, soldering came with it. I contacted a repair store near me telling me they don't do it and I should ask for a repair to a certified Brother technician. Which is overpriced. I also can't open it fully as it is placed to be impossible to repair without disassembling half of the machine. No printer is the same, some brands are better than others. Some are well accepted on Linux with CUPS, some other not. But so far, not one brand impressed me well enough by their design to keep it open, easily fixable and long lasting. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago Correction: printers hate people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qqq@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago PC load letter? What the fuck does that mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Fuck printers Nom one invented a good printer still permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kramkar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I have read this ten times now, and I still can't figure out what it is supposed to mean.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Printers are known in IT to be a utter pain in the ass. Most brands are also using a lot of proprietary stuff and it limits interoperability. Drivers for example. Well known example is about ink cartridges. HP added identification chips on them, so if you want to use an other brand, not HP, to fill your printer, you can't because if no chip is detected despite a cartridge being inserted, the machine will tell you it is not genuine. Another example with Rycoh. I don't know if their printers still use this method, so take it as an example of capitalist greed more than a current situation. Laser printers are using a sealed container to process waste created during printing. Rycoh had placed a led detector inside to know when it was full and trigger an alert, stopping the machine and request for a change. Good idea in theory but in practice the detector was placed very oddly or on purpose near or in front of dust intake. So it was bathed very quickly in electrostatic dust and thus triggered the alarm very quickly, even if your container was not fully filled. The only way to solve this was to shake your waste storage, hoping it would clean the led enough to keep going for a few days or change it. Lastly, I have a Brother printer, bought to a neighbor sale. The oven inside, which is in charge of heating the ink, had a failure. It had melted. For the price, it was a deal. I only needed to buy a new part, unplug it, replace and I had a laser printer with colours. Well, Brother had lightly soldered pins linking the connector to PCB. When I unplugged it, soldering came with it. I contacted a repair store near me telling me they don't do it and I should ask for a repair to a certified Brother technician. Which is overpriced. I also can't open it fully as it is placed to be impossible to repair without disassembling half of the machine. No printer is the same, some brands are better than others. Some are well accepted on Linux with CUPS, some other not. But so far, not one brand impressed me well enough by their design to keep it open, easily fixable and long lasting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kramkar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I have read this ten times now, and I still can't figure out what it is supposed to mean.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Printers are known in IT to be a utter pain in the ass. Most brands are also using a lot of proprietary stuff and it limits interoperability. Drivers for example. Well known example is about ink cartridges. HP added identification chips on them, so if you want to use an other brand, not HP, to fill your printer, you can't because if no chip is detected despite a cartridge being inserted, the machine will tell you it is not genuine. Another example with Rycoh. I don't know if their printers still use this method, so take it as an example of capitalist greed more than a current situation. Laser printers are using a sealed container to process waste created during printing. Rycoh had placed a led detector inside to know when it was full and trigger an alert, stopping the machine and request for a change. Good idea in theory but in practice the detector was placed very oddly or on purpose near or in front of dust intake. So it was bathed very quickly in electrostatic dust and thus triggered the alarm very quickly, even if your container was not fully filled. The only way to solve this was to shake your waste storage, hoping it would clean the led enough to keep going for a few days or change it. Lastly, I have a Brother printer, bought to a neighbor sale. The oven inside, which is in charge of heating the ink, had a failure. It had melted. For the price, it was a deal. I only needed to buy a new part, unplug it, replace and I had a laser printer with colours. Well, Brother had lightly soldered pins linking the connector to PCB. When I unplugged it, soldering came with it. I contacted a repair store near me telling me they don't do it and I should ask for a repair to a certified Brother technician. Which is overpriced. I also can't open it fully as it is placed to be impossible to repair without disassembling half of the machine. No printer is the same, some brands are better than others. Some are well accepted on Linux with CUPS, some other not. But so far, not one brand impressed me well enough by their design to keep it open, easily fixable and long lasting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Printers are known in IT to be a utter pain in the ass. Most brands are also using a lot of proprietary stuff and it limits interoperability. Drivers for example. Well known example is about ink cartridges. HP added identification chips on them, so if you want to use an other brand, not HP, to fill your printer, you can't because if no chip is detected despite a cartridge being inserted, the machine will tell you it is not genuine. Another example with Rycoh. I don't know if their printers still use this method, so take it as an example of capitalist greed more than a current situation. Laser printers are using a sealed container to process waste created during printing. Rycoh had placed a led detector inside to know when it was full and trigger an alert, stopping the machine and request for a change. Good idea in theory but in practice the detector was placed very oddly or on purpose near or in front of dust intake. So it was bathed very quickly in electrostatic dust and thus triggered the alarm very quickly, even if your container was not fully filled. The only way to solve this was to shake your waste storage, hoping it would clean the led enough to keep going for a few days or change it. Lastly, I have a Brother printer, bought to a neighbor sale. The oven inside, which is in charge of heating the ink, had a failure. It had melted. For the price, it was a deal. I only needed to buy a new part, unplug it, replace and I had a laser printer with colours. Well, Brother had lightly soldered pins linking the connector to PCB. When I unplugged it, soldering came with it. I contacted a repair store near me telling me they don't do it and I should ask for a repair to a certified Brother technician. Which is overpriced. I also can't open it fully as it is placed to be impossible to repair without disassembling half of the machine. No printer is the same, some brands are better than others. Some are well accepted on Linux with CUPS, some other not. But so far, not one brand impressed me well enough by their design to keep it open, easily fixable and long lasting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 child) FUCK PRINTERS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dicska@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago *ZIP* permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) IT people hate other people using a computer permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago I once had to watch a co-worker scroll to the bottom of a list using the little arrow buttons on the end of the scrollbar. Clicking, not holding. That's what my hell would be like. Doing IT support without being able to wrench the mouse out of their hands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* I hate my computer as well. That's why I have to modify it to something completely different before I am able to use it for basic text editing. I AM TALKING TO YOU EMACS PUT YOUR BACKUPS SOMEWHERE ELSE BY DEFAULT ALREADY I USE GIT permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago I once had to watch a co-worker scroll to the bottom of a list using the little arrow buttons on the end of the scrollbar. Clicking, not holding. That's what my hell would be like. Doing IT support without being able to wrench the mouse out of their hands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* I hate my computer as well. That's why I have to modify it to something completely different before I am able to use it for basic text editing. I AM TALKING TO YOU EMACS PUT YOUR BACKUPS SOMEWHERE ELSE BY DEFAULT ALREADY I USE GIT permalink fedilink source parent
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago I'm an IT person and I like computers, as long as they've never been turned on and they stay that way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RadicalCandour@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago This absolutely applies to me. I’m so sick of computers and software and security and subscriptions and vendors. I just want my own animal sanctuary with chickens and otters and baby goats god dammit! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abir_v@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Many IT people love computers. They hate computers that other people use. permalink fedilink source parent