no character creator has yet to top saints row 2. they just have a "body" slider on top of all the normal "slim/fat", "short/tall", "lanky/muscular" stuff that morphs where the body fat goes. if the booblies get too big your character gets a bra.
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mature modern games are unapologetic and give you a genital selection too
the question is, are you a penis a or penis b type???
I get the modded mega dong.
tbh baldurs gate and cyberpunk really lacked a proper donger slider
would even be lore accurate with cybernetic dick enhancements in cyberpunk and magic in dnd
Sorry. That's on me.
I was the one responsible for implementing the donger slider in Cyberpunk but I kept getting distracted with all the donger slider field research.
Honestly a real-life donger slider is worth the investment.
Cyberpunk had some great mods, though. It's just too bad they didn't show up in the sex scenes.
Fantasy games should have that one extra ring slot.
There are ads in game and a quest dedicated to the Mr Studd penis implant so it'd be canon too
yeah and why can't we buy exploding dick enhancements (or dick cannons) like that one dude we gotta give a ride to
I feel like there are cybernetic dick enhancements in cyberpunk but they're not widespread or used a lot. Like they usually are peddled by sketchy folks and don't seem to be something advertised that much.
I mean, good chance I'm wrong on that but that was kind of the vibe I got playing the game.
Dong slider is a hilarious thought. I don't know enough about coding and game development but it feels like it might be hard to get the animations right if you had a slider vs selection because you'd have to be figuring out animations for those titties or cock on the fly.
But maybe that's just me showing my lack of knowledge, perhaps a slider from tiny titties to big ol tatas is already a thing in some games. I guess it's also dependent on the game engine.
We know there are. There's a quest in CP2077 involving a guy who's system catches fire.
He's voiced by a streamer my wife likes. She had no idea he was in the game and loved the absurdity of that quest.
I mean there’s that one guy who said it felt like his dick was stuck in a goddamn pencil sharpener
The werewolf in Skyrim got physics enabled flaccid dong because I wanted to helicopter in VR and thought it only changed humanoid NPC and player character, not monsters. It was a super funny surprise seeing that giant salami flopping around in the scripted scene for whatever quest that was. Good job, dev.
Wheres my cybernetic lady horse cock? Immersion ruined.
I pick the micropenis because I'm short and proud of it.
And despite all of that maturity, they still do male-gaze, heteronormative centric design.
In BG3, Type A halflings (male presenting) are all dumpy and kinda goofy-looking. Type B halflings are all banging smokeshows. Give me the dumpy looking halflings, man.
In Cyberpunk, the camera lingers on nude women, but hides or ignores male nudity, even if the player character is fem presenting and chooses a male partner.
There's a YouTube video about this, but I can't find it. I'll update later if I do (and remember)
Of course, they do the male gaze. The majority of the male audience loves it and the majority of the female audience doesn't care enough to prevent a sale.
It's a no-brainer to implement male gaze if your target audience includes males. It's easy to do and yields a lot of goodwill from that part of the audience. Some gacha games make tons of money just doing the male gaze and literally slopping everything else. It's absurd how well sex sells.
basically the entire anime and vtuber "cultures" have been nothing but horny bait for years now. What really gets me is how it pretends not to be
eh, sounds like an accidental noting burger.
these games are taking inclusion steps. but that doesn't mean they need to stop catering for the majority. its still art made by humans and their own preferences find a way in
Lmao reminds me the stat where Larian said that the absolute majority played HUMAN WARRIOR :D
Catering to the majority is a little wild of a statement. There are a lot of games I'd be embarrassed to play in public because they cater too hard to the lonely, horny dude demographic.
Its fine to put that stuff in but devs should be making it optional so people can play shit in public spaces.
The usage of the virtual camera in cyberpunk described above is textbook male gaze. Male gaze is specifically about how people aim cameras (in this case virtual cameras) with the assumption that the audience is primarily composed of cisgender, heterosexual men. It seems like you are making this same assumption here when you say “catering for the majority,” especially considering data shows a roughly 50/50 split: https://www.statista.com/statistics/326420/console-gamers-gender/
EDIT: I switched to a global link. The URL says console gamers. The graph title says any device.
You sound like a man.
but that doesn’t mean they need to stop catering for the majority.
Yeah, it's the immediate assumption that the male gaze is the majority.
Women make up half of the gaming community.
In most studies most women and most men prefer looking at female nudity.
The "male gaze" is objectively just an unfortunate condition of how we're wired. We all like looking at conventionally attractive women. Even straight women. So that will always be the default in any game with artists selected at random from the general artistic population.
Not how we're wired, how patriarchy views both forms. Seriously, you can't just put up a study that confirms an assumption of patriarchy without acknowledging that it is, on some level, circular logic.
Patriarchy is the dominant worldview, patriarchy says that beauty is a feminine trait, most people agree that women are more beautiful than men. All that proves is that most people accept the patriarchal definition of beauty.
If you conducted this same study in ancient Greece, would you expect the same result? If no, then cultural views of beauty play a big role in this. If yes, then why were the ancient Greeks obsessed with male nudity?
If you conducted this same study in ancient Greece, would you expect the same result? If no, then cultural views of beauty play a big role in this. If yes, then why were the ancient Greeks obsessed with male nudity?
Why wouldn't you? I'm not an expert but from skimming through a brief search they seem to adhere more or less to the same standards we do. Yeah, there's more dudes but that can be explained by the fact that they're sculpting heroes from mythology which are mostly men and they want to show off how buff they are. It's like comic books of today, but unrestrained by censorship. The female statues are just as conventionally hot/naked.
Not how we’re wired, how patriarchy views both forms. Seriously, you can’t just put up a study that confirms an assumption of patriarchy without acknowledging that it is, on some level, circular logic.
This is a wonderful idea, it's not a falsifiable theory though. This makes assumptions that Patriarchy in its current form is so deeply ingrained it affects every study on nudity preferences done at the subconscious level. So the only way your idea could ever be proven is if we, in a vacuum, develop cloned humans and developed a specific matriarchal society for them that we some how teach them without any possible contamination, and then repeat tests like these and see if there's a difference.
Patriarchy is the dominant worldview, patriarchy says that beauty is a feminine trait, most people agree that women are more beautiful than men. All that proves is that most people accept the patriarchal definition of beauty.
Or alternatively, Patriarchy developed from common human traits in majority, which resulted in a preference for the female form in regards to beauty (it didn't), which associated beauty as a feminine trait (it didn't), and thus it's not the tail that wags the dog, but indeed the opposite.
If you conducted this same study in ancient Greece, would you expect the same result? If no, then cultural views of beauty play a big role in this. If yes, then why were the ancient Greeks obsessed with male nudity?
Yes, actually. And more specifically it would benefit your argument if that study was done -- since Ancient Greece was a heavily patriarchal society regardless of which period you pick and which society you want to pick within Ancient Greece. Arguably it was a more patriarchal society than today; with the fact women were not seen as sexual partners (Athens, Sparta, etc), just spouses meant to produce children.
We'd also have to broach the fact that outside a few renaissance artists imitating an ignorant variance of ancient Greece, there was not an obsession with male nudity over female nudity. They were just more open with both compared to later western societies that built themselves with Greece as a template.
Let's face it, women are straight up beautiful. Like, outside of a sexual or "treating like an object" point of view, they do hold inherent beauty that men only seem to compare in Greek statues.
Video games are marketed to men cause video games historically were marketed to boys... because toy stores were strictly gendered in the 80s, so they made the choice least likely to impact sales (girls can play with boy toys, but boys can't play with girl ones)
Like, dude, preferences among genders are usually societally conditioned rather than distillations of some essential gender shit. Video games in the united states are majority played by women, if you're not counting strictly console gaming.
Give the Type-A a chest binder. Now everyone is covered.
I feellike I've seen this in some game. Not a binder, but that both types have covered tops and bottoms.
Monster hunter does that
Star Wars: KOTOR does this. I think KOTOR 2 as well but I'm fuzzier on that
I feellike I’ve seen this in some game. Not a binder, but that both types have covered tops and bottoms.
Baldur's Gate maybe?
If femality is stored in the nipples, where are the nipples stored. Maybe the balls I hypothesize.
Where does the dick get stored?
kinda wish it just folded up inside like a dog
I propose this situation be remedied by 'free the nipple' protests involving both man boobs and woman boobs.
Alternatively, appease the puritans and give both a sports bra
... generally good for both in an athletic context.
Maybe have both boob'd men and women do the same 'strip routine' at the protest, both arriving in the sports bras.
like when some church dudes demanded that the hulk is wearing a bra, because his massive packs would arouse kids xD
The Germans simply let women take their top off if they want. Seems fair enough.
Obvious we need to cover up boy nipples
I think you meant boy n*****s. Let's not be NSFW here.
This is exactly the type of shit you'd expect to see at some fascist memes group. You can leave it there.
Reminds me of the creator of the show Hannibal talking about American censorship. He created a gruesome murder scene where the victim is covered in gore and there’s ritualistic shit everywhere. The only complaint, “we can see the dead woman’s nipple!!”
Death and gore all good, but lord forbid you show a lady nipple.
If I remember correctly, it was that someone was horrifically flayed, with their ribcage wrenched open to resemble wings. This was all fine, but you could see their ass, so they had to cover the asscrack with blood. For the children, presumably.
This is crazy. If the show is meant to be watched by adults, what does it matter that nudity is shown?
Morally nothing, but legally broadcast law and ERSB ratings are very strict. Like, 'literally count the number of each cuss' strict. Ratings aren't determined by Dennis and Marjorie vibing it out, it's concluded almost algorithmically based on literal, unambiguous features. Context has very little relevance to the ratings questionnaire.
Even if it is in the spirit of the ratings law, only the letter of the law is enforcable, regardless of context.
It's probably a good thing for the arts overall, since ratings are so very impactful for reception/profit, I can't imagine the lawsuits being flung if a studio accused Dennis or Marjorie of bias.
I don't get why they aren't just making a single body with tons of sliders for all proportions and some "man" and "woman" presets which are just values for those sliders. If it was just one body, all the clothing and animations would only need to be done for one body instead of two.
What am I missing?
Vaguely, because having 2 or 4 models that are static and always look good is actually a lot easier to design and test than a body that can be lots of sizes and shapes. Like, it's more work to make an outfit 4 times than 1 time, but it's also kinda easy work. Whereas making an outfit that can be any size and shape and still looks right and natural and doesn't clip through itself, etc is harder.
But not impossible, so I agree if your game is going to have sliders anyway, and those sliders are going to allow extreme adjustments and not just "length of torso, circumference of boobs", probably you're going to have to take a lot of that into account anyway.
Even still, though, having a "bunch" of sliders can sometimes still not be enough to get from one body type to another. Like, the fact that you can't start with the male body in most of these games and adjust your way to the female one, or vice versa, means there are properties that would need to be made adjustable that currently aren't, in order to actually get you smoothly from one to the other.
Presets easy, representing all possibilities with sliders hard
I want Type B, but with male nipples.
We maybe also should have body type C, D, E, F, G, H, etc.

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