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[–] 71 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It is absolutely maddening to see American pundits defend every dumbshit, ruinous, genocidal policy over the last twenty years by pointing at China and claiming, "We had to show them we were the boss".

From AI to A-bombs, there's nothing you can't get away with by insisting "China Bad! This will stop them!"

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago

    The US is basically a "this is good for bitcoin", but as a country.

    Its slow, humiliating, public suicide is even more pathetic than great britain's.

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  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    China: "Wow they're a lot less tough than we thought"

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    They lost how many soldiers in that?

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I'm not sure how many US imperial troops died, but they did lose a good amount of aircraft:

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    So glad that American's voted for the "No more wars" president while hoping for a better cost of living.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The US is not a democracy, its a one-party capitalist empire, and even its controlled opposition wing wanted to go to war with Iran for a long time. The democrats under Biden also massively increased funding to Israel to help destroy palestine:

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  • [–] 122 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    hey usa, china is building tons of high-speed rail. they're the leaders in decarbonizing their energy mix. they're building tons of housing to handle population growth. they're financing infrastructure projects in the global south. why not try beating them at all that?

    no? just wars again? okay.

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Chinese people own their homes too

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago* (7 children)

    Even with more property rights. If you own a house and you don't want to sell it when they want to build a new highway, they build the highway surrounding your house, instead of expropriating you like in western countries.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago*

    tbh living there in the middle of a highway would be hell

    it is disappointing how despite how ahead china is in terms of public transit, they still build car-centric infrastructure like this. at least, unlike north america, shitty car-centric infrastructure is not all there is lol

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Fascinating as it may be, that's a pretty horrible picture.

    Imagine living that house. It's a pretty stark demonstration of the state gets what it wants, one way or another.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    That's why it's important to recognize that the state serves its ruling class, which in China's case is the proletariat. That's why they are far more leniant and even allowed this situation in the first place.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    I thing losing $400b will greatly help to put china in its place

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    China and Iran are allies.

    If the US and China go to war Iran will close the strait to their enemies. And we’ve seen the US is impotent to that and overly reliant on oil.

    I think China just has to deal with a first strike from the US and then wait for an impotent United States to fall apart and starve.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    I think your last point is pretty accurate. The US side has done a bunch of war games for a Taiwan invasion situation. In these games, the US side barely wins. To me, that's evidence the US probably loses. All of the Chinese decision making is done by US military people that think like the US military. If the PLA acts differently, they could easily be in a better position. Also, the Chinese capabilities will be based on US intelligence. Unless the Pentagon knows everything about missile ranges, warhead sizes, magazine depth, aircraft speeds and ranges, etc, they won't be able to anticipate a capability they didn't know about.

    Probably most importantly, China has a vast industrial base and would be much closer to the fighting. All they really have to do is use up the US missile stockpiles and shoot down a few planes (probably while they're just parked in Okinawa). Once the war becomes about who can manufacture more missiles and planes to replace losses, there's no way the US will be able to keep up. If it becomes a protracted war, the US loses by default.

    Edit: also, I'm not so sure Iran would close the straight. But I don't think it would matter because part of the US plans involve closing the Malaca straight to starve the Chinese of oil. They'll do it themselves.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I'd put money on China being able to pwn the USA with the click of a button. We know about salt typhoon, and there's been documented backdoors in IoT devices and some Unitree bots. Imagine all the things we don't know about. Especially regarding power generation and general aging infrastructure.

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  • [+] 29 points 4 months ago (8 children)
  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    Tell that to Saddam and Gaddafi.

    lol the downvote. Did those governments that no longer exist actually win the wars that caused them to cease existing?

    *this doesn't mean they were good or justified. If anyone thinks I implied or said that you need to learn how to read.

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  • [+] 9 points 4 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    1st Iraq was a clear win, both militarily and strategically. 2nd Iraq and Libya were strategic victories because the real purpose was to maintain the petrodollar, which was attained.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale.

    Also it's not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago*

    Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals

    I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes.

    My bad for assuming, btw.

    No problem

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Do you think Saddam won? The US won the war with Iraq if not the war with the insurgency.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ok so you can't win a war if it wasn't clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications.

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  • [+] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted.

    It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory.

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    [–] 33 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I think Americans should ban debate clubs. Clearly they're only teaching how to create mental convolutions instead of creating sound arguments.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh no, debate clubs are actually very good at teaching kids how to discern good information from bad, and how to make proper arguments with supporting evidence. Right wing media teaches gish gallop and never be wrong, it's these two ideas that have taken over discourse.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    How can people be so delusional?

    "When their salary depends on it" is a decent first answer.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Whoever wrote this is an idiot.

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    Is that the person who publishes the Epoch times in Canada? Or is it the Falun gong nut cases? Someone entirely different who I havent heard of yet? Please I need to know what propaganda machine published this.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Not an idiot they are an intelligence asset. When all the evidence shows America couldn’t have and isn’t winning the war, anyone pushing the war agenda isn’t just a retard they are probably knowingly pushing the psyop. Any blue check claiming America has done anything but blunder this entire conflict probably gets paid by the CIA

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Yeah giving away the weakness of all our equipments iranians hurt to china is such a huge deterrant bruv

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    Remember folks, the guy is a master of the deal

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    And as His Orangeness has said, Ghina is expensive.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The war was a shit show by a shitty government.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    🎶We’ve only just beguuuuuun🎶

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    China couldn't give a shit about supposed US deterrence.
    Henry knows that, he also knows that China receives the largest share of oil exports passing through the Strait of Hormuz, accounting for 37.7% of the trade route's total volume.
    That is why they had their own blockade.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    And yet oil prices in China did not move once during the entirety of the US' bitchfit.

    So...

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So China compensated from other sources?
    Used alternative energy sources?
    Used reserves?

    It proves only that the US plan failed.
    That doesn't negate their motives

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Oh no, not 2 summer holidays!

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  • [+] -20 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Show china youre the boss by taking hong kong back and making it independent

    And protecting them and taiwan

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago

    Ah yes, Henry Gao the race traitor. Heh.

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  • [+] -14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    So you're saying distracting Americans from the Epstein files had nothing to do with it? LOLOL

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Americans famously can't hold more than one idea at time, if Trump shit his pants tomorrow the entire investigation of Epstein is gone.

    Please president, hold your shit!!!

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