▲ 802 ▼ Take that, China! (crazypeople.online) submitted 4 months ago by hamid@crazypeople.online to c/memes@lemmy.ml 74 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 29 points 4 months ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children) Tell that to Saddam and Gaddafi. lol the downvote. Did those governments that no longer exist actually win the wars that caused them to cease existing? *this doesn't mean they were good or justified. If anyone thinks I implied or said that you need to learn how to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) 1st Iraq was a clear win, both militarily and strategically. 2nd Iraq and Libya were strategic victories because the real purpose was to maintain the petrodollar, which was attained. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale. Also it's not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -2 points 4 months ago* (3 children) Do you think Saddam won? The US won the war with Iraq if not the war with the insurgency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ok so you can't win a war if it wasn't clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children) Tell that to Saddam and Gaddafi. lol the downvote. Did those governments that no longer exist actually win the wars that caused them to cease existing? *this doesn't mean they were good or justified. If anyone thinks I implied or said that you need to learn how to read. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) 1st Iraq was a clear win, both militarily and strategically. 2nd Iraq and Libya were strategic victories because the real purpose was to maintain the petrodollar, which was attained. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale. Also it's not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -2 points 4 months ago* (3 children) Do you think Saddam won? The US won the war with Iraq if not the war with the insurgency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ok so you can't win a war if it wasn't clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago (7 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) 1st Iraq was a clear win, both militarily and strategically. 2nd Iraq and Libya were strategic victories because the real purpose was to maintain the petrodollar, which was attained. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale. Also it's not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -2 points 4 months ago* (3 children) Do you think Saddam won? The US won the war with Iraq if not the war with the insurgency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ok so you can't win a war if it wasn't clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (2 children) 1st Iraq was a clear win, both militarily and strategically. 2nd Iraq and Libya were strategic victories because the real purpose was to maintain the petrodollar, which was attained. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale. Also it's not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale. Also it's not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) You believe US when they state the war reasons and goals? Lol, lmao even. They achieved a real war goal of stopping Iraq and Libya from breaking dollar monopoly on oil sale. Also it's not my government, my government was actually quite honest, they admitted they went there to bootlick USA and loot Iraq. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* Uhh no, I’m saying they didn’t win the war because they couldn’t meet their stated goals I mean yeah that usually work like that but USA are in entire another layer of hypocrisy, their stated war goald are only a political theatre for their population, plausible deniality and propaganda purposes. My bad for assuming, btw. No problem permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -2 points 4 months ago* (3 children) Do you think Saddam won? The US won the war with Iraq if not the war with the insurgency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ok so you can't win a war if it wasn't clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ok so you can't win a war if it wasn't clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ok so you can't win a war if it wasn't clean and easy? And since when has the publicly stated justification for a war ever had anything to do with who won? Lots of wars start with false justifications. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 months ago* (1 child) 20 years? The US ousted the ba'athist government in less than a month and installed a sympathetic regime in less than two years. Even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. The US got what it wanted geopolitically and the government they waged war against was ousted. It was costly, unjustified, evil, and probably not even worth it from the cold math of empire but it was still a military victory. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spacesatan@lazysoci.al 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) Oh ok I guess nobody has ever won a war because war is bad and even the winners take casualties. Very strong arguments you've presented of 'no lol', acting smug, and having your own bespoke definition of winning a war. permalink fedilink source parent
