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[–] 49 points 4 months ago

He surrendered and paid Iran.

Don't sugar coat the surrender part.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    He made a handful of billionaires/trillionaires a lot of money. He fucked up things for the rest of the world.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago

    He made himself and his family a lot of money. His dumb son is so brazen he was asking if any of the UFC fights at the White House were rigged so he could bet on them. The whole family is rotten beyond redemption.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I find the term "Absolutely nothing" a bit loose. Negative achievements are still achievements.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Achieving “absolutely nothing” is a criminal understatement…

    The US just lost. In a war against Iran.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Seems a pattern tbh, expensive toys lead to expensive mistakes?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    You could argue that its cultural. The US has always been a country that values opportunism and individualism. Both parties appeal to people’s feelings of national identity or manifest destiny, only to then skillfully curb the narrative back to personal freedom and personal responsibility.

    When you teach people to value self-sufficiency and individualism, you get a populace that is mostly apolitical. Good luck trying to mobilize those people for any sort of grand project that requires a lot of personal sacrifice over many years.

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  • [+] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    none of this is new though

    I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. -Lyndon B. Johnson

    Trump's just adopted that mantra

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago
    [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    lol Israel is 100% going to spike this “deal”

    Since April, the White House has not replied to requests for further information about Trump’s inability to achieve world peace. Trump has also failed to accomplish even his more modest goal, as the region remains mired in conflict. Israel continued its war on Lebanon on Sunday and said it was not involved in the new pact. “Trump’s agreement does not bind us. … We are not party to this agreement,” Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wrote on Telegram on Sunday.

    To wit, last I checked they’re still bombing the shit out of Lebanon

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Trump gave Iran a great deal just so he could announce the peace on his dumb birthday. If the US keeps their end of the deal (it's Trump after all) Iran may also keep theirs and leave Lebanon be for now. They aren't doing that well on the homefront as the IS has been bombing military targets and civilian infrastructure. The hits on civilian infrastructure especially will have worsened the internal unrest that Iran was dealing with before the war start. We also don't know how much control the new Ayatollah has over the country as he has basically been in hiding all this time to avoid being assassinated by the US or Israel. The peace deal would allow them to start rebuilding and focus their efforts fully on dealing with internal unrest. And they could also just use the new funds that will be unfrozen by the new deal to covertly fund Hezbollah and have them fight against Israel in Lebanon.

    But yea it's a shit deal and it will most likely get worse for everyone.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago

    Hey, HEY. They bombed a school and killed, what, 173(?) schoolchildren.
    I bet they are quite happy with that achievement!!!

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Hmm, I always thought Trump was the leopard. But I'm not opposed to his face being eaten, so how exactly would that work here?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Tuxedo mask meme: "my job here is done"

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    until the markets close again, which he renege on the deal

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    What do you mean achieved nothing? The US disarmament is definitely something!

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Hey now, he did achieve something - sending $300B in tax dollars to fund a bunch of people that shout "Death to America!"

    Wait....isn't that considered terrorism under NSPM-7?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Most Iranians do NOT shout "death to America"... but yeah, he sent money to the ones who do.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I'm darkly amused that the citizens of US, Israel, and Iran all share a lot in common. And chief among those is that our governments are run by power hungry assholes that justify their brutality with religion and DARVO.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The point is that is is not "Absolutely Nothing". It is even worse, it is a big net negative.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    “I hereby fully authorize the toll free opening of the Strait of Hormuz.”

    I've been thinking for a few minutes trying to drum up a sarcastic remark, but, I'm simply at a loss.

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    The Trump administration is boasting about pending plans to conclude its war with Iran, having achieved none of the original objectives laid out by President Donald Trump.

    With a commitment to a ceasefire and the scheduled signing of a “framework” later this week, Iran is expected to agree to reopen the Strait of Hormuz within 30 days. Negotiations over an agreement regarding Iran’s nuclear program are expected to take place in the 60 days following Friday’s signing ceremony.

    If the deal is signed on this week, it will mark a return to the status quo antebellum when the Strait of Hormuz was open and no nuclear deal with Iran was in place. Aside from killing top regime leaders, thousands of civilians — including more than 150, most of them children, on a strike on an elementary school — and damaging almost 149,000 civilian infrastructures, the United States has functionally achieved nothing. The same regime is in power and it maintains missile capabilities, still has a navy, and still supports regional proxies.

    Trump also teased the prospect of a U.S. protection racket under which Middle Eastern nations would be forced to pay monetary tribute to America if the U.S. and Iran do not finalize a nuclear accord.

    On Monday, Iran’s government declared victory and appeared to vow revenge on the U.S. for the war.

    “The Deal with the Islamic Republic of Iran is now complete,” Trump wrote on Truth Social on Sunday, his 80th birthday. “I hereby fully authorize the toll free opening of the Strait of Hormuz.” An hour later, Trump offered a caveat, stating the strait would only be opened “upon the signing of the Deal on Friday.”

    “This victory was achieved through absolute national cohesion, under the wise guidance of the Supreme National Security Council and all state pillars,” Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmail Baghaei announced on Monday, claiming that the conflict “cost the aggressors heavily.”

    “Moving toward diplomacy does not mean we will ever forgive or forget the crimes against the Iranian nation; the pursuit of justice for our martyrs is permanent,” said Baghaei.

    The White House did not reply to a request by The Intercept for comment on Iran’s declaration of victory and apparent vow of revenge for its dead.

    The new “deal” is a complete capitulation for Trump who claimed, on March 6: “There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!” No such surrender occurred.

    Nor is it the first ceasefire Trump has claimed would result in a reopening of the Strait of Hormuz.

    “Iran has now agreed to a ceasefire and reopening the Strait of Hormuz,” the White House announced on April 8, essentially the same agreement publicized on Sunday.  That original ceasefire collapsed months ago, but the fiction was observed by the administration and mainstream news media outlets alike, until the new agreement was rolled out.

    Pakistan says it will oversee a formal signing of a memorandum of understanding on Friday in Geneva, Switzerland. Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif told the National Assembly session in Islamabad “the immediate and permanent cessation of military operations has been announced across all fronts, including Iran, America, and Lebanon.”  

    Self-styled War Secretary Pete Hegseth claimed on Sunday that the agreement guarantees “Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, won’t seek one, won’t buy one, won’t have one.” Iran previously agreed to those terms when it first ratified the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in 1970, and reaffirmed that agreement on the first page of the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA, negotiated by former President Barack Obama’s administration. Trump unilaterally withdrew from that pact during his first term.

    Trump indicated Hegseth was lying or uniformed in an interview with the New York Times on Sunday. The president said the U.S. was still negotiating whether Iran would suspend its enrichment for 20 years but hinted that he might settle for a 15-year suspension.

    Trump has consistently criticized the JCPOA. “Barack Hussein Obama gave them 1.7 Billion Dollars in ‘Green” Cash,’” he wrote during a social media rant in April. Iran’s Mehr news agency reported that the U.S. would release $12 billion in frozen assets to Iran before the start of nuclear negotiations. “The accord secures the unfreezing of all Iranian assets and addresses compensation for wartime damages,” said Baghaei.

    Trump said that if the U.S. does not sign a final nuclear agreement with Iran, the United States might assume the role of “the guardian of the Middle East” in return for 20 percent of the region’s revenues. The proposed extortion scheme appears akin to the 19th-century Barbary States, which practiced state-supported piracy to exact tribute from other nations. The United States fought two separate wars against two of these North African states: Tripoli from 1801 to 1805, and Algiers from 1815 to 1816.

    A recent Intercept analysis of Trump’s claims about the Iran war, his stated objectives, and supposed American achievements found the U.S. has fallen short or flamed out on all counts. The public record shows an administration that has consistently scaled back its goals and downgraded its claimed successes, without nearing anything resembling the victory Trump has touted.

    On the first day of the conflict, Trump laid out his most ambitious objectives. “The heavy and pinpoint bombing … will continue, uninterrupted … as long as necessary to achieve our objective of PEACE THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST AND, INDEED, THE WORLD!” Trump wrote on Truth Social on February 28.

    Since April, the White House has not replied to requests for further information about Trump’s inability to achieve world peace. Trump has also failed to accomplish even his more modest goal, as the region remains mired in conflict. Israel continued its war on Lebanon on Sunday and said it was not involved in the new pact. “Trump’s agreement does not bind us. … We are not party to this agreement,” Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wrote on Telegram on Sunday.

    “He’s a very difficult guy,” Trump said of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday. “He should be very thankful to us for doing this,” he said of the war, lapsing into typical hyperbole. “Because if Iran had a nuclear weapon, Israel wouldn’t be around for two hours.”

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Worse than nothing: El Taco has finally definitively one-upped Obama's $1.7 billion with this new $300 billion.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    This is the right headline.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    "Moving toward diplomacy does not mean we will ever forgive or forget the crimes against the Iranian nation” said Baghaei.

    Neither will we as Europeans!

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    He didnt achieve nothing. This thing made life fucking expensive, miserable, and for some unmaintainable. He unilaterally fucked with everyone on earth. Of course his head is held high right now.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    The New Republic is reporting that we’re also gonna hand over 300 billion dollars to Iran. And that’s not just releasing their own funds back to them; that’s completely separate from the frozen Iranian funds.

    https://newrepublic.com/post/211826/jd-vance-us-pay-iran-billions-trump-deal

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