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[–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

In health care, the implications range from hydration assessment and intoxication alerts to fitness tracking and continuous glucose monitoring for diabetes management.

It took way too long to get to this info in the article. But anyway, this would be quite useful.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    The glucose monitoring alone will be super useful.

    There's been some Chinese wearables that have toured glucose monitoring - and to be fair, in anecdotal testing circumstances they've been somewhat precise (not precise enough to replace blood testing completely, but good enough as an early warning system for pre-diabetic people to do a blood test) - but they're still not up to par for the stringent requirements for a medical device in most modern countries.

    As for the anecdotal evidence. My mum has been using such a cheap smartwatch that touts a glucose monitor, and she kept testing its results alongside an approved blood test monitor (she's not diabetic but has a thyroid condition that messes with her blood sugar, so monitoring is required), and the watch has always been within 3-4% of the blood test. Which obviously isn't good enough for medical certification... but for pre-monitoring, lance-free quick checks, it helps.

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    [–] 40 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    All jokes aside, this is super exciting if you are interested in instrumentation for environmental monitoring.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The writing in the linked article is a little weird, as others have pointed out. However the journal publication is very cool. If this is reproducible, it'll likely have a noticeable impact over the next 10 years or so. We won't see $10 spectrometers, but we might see handheld ones in a similar format to the cheap IR cameras.

    Here's the link for anyone interested.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41566-026-01891-6

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If you're familiar with this kind of stuff, do you think this could lead to cheaper and smaller hyperspectral cameras?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This technology isn't for generating images but for measuring what frequencies are present in light.

    I'm not 100% sure on the specifics, but it sounds like they are using some mathematical properties of fourier transformations to either broaden the frequency response of sensors or simplify the math required to get the final result.

    Hyperspectral cameras are designed to generate images from a matrix of light sensors.

    This could maybe lead to spectral cameras (as in a camera where each pixel is the spectrum of light in that pixel), which could then generate images of arbitrary spectra, but I suspect that this sensor is still quite a bit larger than the sensors used in digital cameras these days. Even a hyperspectral camera doesn't really care about what frequencies it measures, it's just able to detect differences in amplitude at those frequencies and either doesn't detect outside of that range or has something filtering the light outside of the range before it reaches the sensors.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    From skimming, it sounds like they're trying to use compressive sensing techniques, but push the "compute" to a physical, optical structure. That gives you a smaller device without the expensive compute (or the concern about losing data from random noise).

    In general, it's not hard to make a basic optical spectrometer. Most people have seen a prism splitting light into a rainbow. Imagine that plus an array of light sensing pixels. The light intensity on the array is your spectrum reading. The further away you put your pixel array, the more spread apart the colors in your rainbow, but the less light hits each individual pixel.

    Optical spectrometers generally use diffraction gratings instead of prisms, but the trade-offs are the same. Longer optical path -> more spectral resolution -> more expensive light sensors.

    Compressive sensing tries to break that trade-off by using math from information theory to get a usable data from fewer measurements. The single pixel camera is a great intro to the field. You use a single photodiode plus a series of known masks to take a series of measurements. From the masks + single pixel measurements, you can reconstruct the original image. There's probably code out there to do it virtually if anyone's interested. IIRC, to do a virtual measurement, you apply the mask to your image, then sum up the values. The reconstruction process is then identical to if you had real measurements.

    For the $10 spectrometer, it sounds like they're pushing some of that "compute" to a tunable optical system. In other words, the device "takes compressive sensing measurements," but it does some of the reconstruction before it hits the light sensor.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    One step closer to having tricorders hopefully, probably bullshit though.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    such as unbalanced Mach–Zehnder interferometers or micro-ring resonators

    It has a base-plate of prefamulated amulite surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing, aligned in such a way that the 2 main spurving bearings are in-line with the pentameter fan.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Unlike conventional spectrometers, which rely on dispersing light or algorithmic reconstruction to recover spectra, the convolutional spectrometer physically performs a convolution operation on the incoming light. This is achieved using a simple cascade of optical components with periodic spectral responses, such as unbalanced Mach–Zehnder interferometers or micro-ring resonators.

    Is this thing a spectrometer or a fucking turbo encabulator?

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I've worked with spectrometers and on spectrometry design before, and that quote from the article is intelligible. It's also pretentious and poorly explained.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I've never worked with spectrometers but physics and chemistry were some of my strongest subjects, so it made some sense to me - but the sentence was definitely written with the intent to say "look peons, I know big science words you do not, and I can string them into a sentence you'll question the legibility of".

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The chemical sensors on my smart watching begging me to stop dipping my hand into the unknown chemical bucket at work.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I guess spectral recognition is cheaper and more accurate than image recognition now.

    There you go, welcome for your new research area or business opportunity.

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    I was so hyped for this thing ...
    Then I got it and well, I wasn't impressed

    Thought, this could lead to check chemicals on the go. Like checking if drugs are contaminated and things like that.
    But it didn't even got the basics to work...

    Well, was a lesson learned at least

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Damn, this is huge. Really wish I could buy one.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    What kind of tricorder shenanigans are these... and how fast does technology progress

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Very cool!

    I also like that they included a device cost analysis. I think they used some aggressively optimistic assumptions (100% yield from the wafer) and large-volume procurement prices that I am skeptical of, but if true it is valuable info.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Even at $50 a chip I could see applications for this.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yes, there is a lot of potential. There are micro-spectrometers available covering this range, like the MEMS-FPI type spectrometer or the multi-pixel arrays with filters (example: https://www.mantispectra.com/products). But this new kind of detector seems to come with higher resolution, faster readout than the MEMS-FPI, and more sensitivity. It is quite exciting, I'm curious to see if they commercialize it soon.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Now I'm wondering, does the designer bear the cost of wafer yield, or the manufacturer?
    Like do I pay for X amount of wafers and pray it's got a good yield, or do I pay for Y amount of working chips and the manufacturer prays instead?

    I feel like the manufacturer has the most impact on yield, but probably the contract provides an estimate for a specific process

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I worked in contract manufacturing for making electronics.

    We had certain contractual yields required. If the yield was below 90% (industry standard), they would pay us for the scrap. The assumption for that being they should have a confidence and reliability in their process that allows it to be higher. If we produced a higher yield than 90%, they got those for free.

    Of course, yield numbers and reimbursement terms can be negotiated as part of the contracts.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I am not 100% sure, but I think that the designer bears the cost of the wafer yield.

    The PDK is specific to the manufacturer, and I imagine that the risk associated with specific features is known and the yield range can be estimated. A design with more and riskier the features would lower the expected yield, and it makes sense that this risk gets passed onto the designer. The contract may have some protections for the case when the yield is significantly lower than expected because of the manufacturer's fault. Just a guess though, it would be great if someone with real experience can answer.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Wearable continuous glucose monitoring. Not just for type 2 diabetics, but people on the road to becoming diabetic if the don't put down the Mountain Dew.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    To answer the why: because it's a spectrometer and that's the primary use for it. I hope this helps the journalist writing the headline.

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    [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Tangentially related: I would like to wear a thin sensor band under my existing cheapo watch. I don't need a full on Bluetooth enabled smart watch most of the time (and hate charging it daily).

    The thinner this tech gets, the closer we get to collecting metrics in this type of way.

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