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Starmer suggests US 'trying to interfere in our democracy' after Vance blames UK teen's death on mass migration (www.theguardian.com)
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Keir Starmer has suggested the US is trying to interfere in British democracy after JD Vance, the US vice-president, blamed the murder of the British teenager Henry Nowak on mass migration.

The prime minister’s office responded after the senior Republican politician claimed in a post on X that Nowak would be alive “if the last few generations of European elites had stood their ground against the politics of self-hatred and the mass invasion of migrants, many of whom despise the West and the people who love it”.

Downing Street did not name Vance directly but said its response to his comments was that “in recent days we have seen people trying to interfere in our democracy and seeking to stir up division on our streets”.

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[+] 31 points 5 months ago* (11 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    It's usually more subtle

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    True.

    That's really the only material difference between Donald and the presidents who came before him: a lack of shame and subtlety. The way he operates is not fundamentally different in any meaningful way apart from presentation and the sheer will to get his own way.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yes the only difference. Literally no difference in him and anyone else. Goddamn what kind of head injury does it take to say that?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    A head injury sustained from reading history. American presidency didn'i start with Reagan.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I have full confidence that trump has broken more laws and norms than any given 5 presidents. Already. And it shocks me how people seem to willfully ignore this in favor of US bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Besides asking african country to be neutrsl about Taiwsn. What tother influence china has. France is still the biggest influencial country is african political affair and followed by russia

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    • [–] 28 points 5 months ago

    SUGESTS?!

    I don't know this guy, any more than any other world leader, but yes dude, we are 100% maliciously infecting your politics.

    let me help you

    • bookface
    • twatter
    • spessx
    • shitstack
    • fox news
    • paramount
    • disney
    • every american ai company
    • ufc ballroom whyte trash house

    evryone of these companies at minimum) are weaponized by trump-epstein class

    dont bother classifying me as a nutjob conspiracy idiot, i already know.

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    [–] 36 points 5 months ago

    Americans are so lucky not to have any murders or incompetent police officers. They should tell Brits how they did it.

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    JD doesn't let a good chance of promoting the great replacement theory go to waste.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Vance's opinion is that of Peter Thiel and he is told what to say. Not sure why he keeps getting a soapbox to stand on, I guess it's the media billionaires offering up a megaphone for a minion that walks and talks like them. Traditionally, his type of blather is not a function of the vice-presidency.

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    • [–] 29 points 5 months ago

    Ah yes the Great Democracy that has banned peaceful protest if it "causes a disturbance". The one that bans entry to any person with a political opinion the government does not like. The one that [checks news] revoked the licence of a doctor for two years in response to her participation in a peaceful protest...

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    [–] 23 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I'm so fucking sick of Nazis. Fuck jd vance

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Its pretty sad. He had the upbringing that couldve made him a working class hero. Its like he was radicalised by Facebook or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    He had the upbringing that couldve made him a working class hero.

    It's almost as if policies matter more than class origin.

    And you'll have to believe me, because I also come from a working-class family (with plenty of additional intersectionality, for even more credibility).

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    • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    vance is the absolute last person anyone should be paying attention to on any subject

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    If I had a dollar for every time the US empire interfered in foreign elections, or democratic processes in general, I'd be richer than Ewwon Pusk.

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    [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Would've been nice for him to take issue with this from the start. I wonder why he's jumping on this now...

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    • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    STARmer if only you wernt trying to advance palantir AI agenda, you would have more leverage.

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    [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Guess what, the us is doing that for decades, and basically everywhere.

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    [–] 5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Thanks gods Starmer is on the case /s

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As much as I agree that he's a useless waste of oxygen this isn't actually his fault is it? The policing policy that the conservatives are complaining about was implemented by, drum roll please, the conservatives.

    They are once again whining about their own decisions. There's a reason that Badenoch didn't bring this up in PMQ's.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, but I think radical reforms have been needed since he took office haven’t happened. They’ve gone backwards in some cases.

    He has also broken ten of his election promises, IIRC. So I’m basically saying that when a laggard like himself complains, it has less credibility.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Oh I fully agree. Though I think the larger problem is just the fact that Labour are in comprehensively terrible at comms. For example they have raised the minimum wage, something which is needed doing for a decade or more, well they finally did it but for some reason they seem very coy about actually telling anyone. So unless you were actually working minimum wage and suddenly had your pay rise you wouldn't know. Same thing for improving workers' rights, they don't appear to have actually told anybody about any of this.

    So while labour definitely do need to replace him presumably with Andy Burnham, nothing's going to get better unless they actually talk to people.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    He took Netanyahu's dick out of his mouth long enough to speak on the subject. That's a lot for this spoiled head of cabbage

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    • [–] -4 points 5 months ago

    Well all you had to do was not create it in the first place, ya snaggle-toothed Limey.

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    [–] -1 points 5 months ago

    IS trying to interfere in elections

    Yes? And? They've been doing that for at least since WWII, what's the news here?

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    [+] -24 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    Mass migration isn't the problem, the problem is lack of oversight into what kind of people are coming into civilised countries, anyone that can so simply stab someone, lie to let them die shouldn't have ever been allowed to come into the UK or any other country that has proper human rights against murder and rape, but these people aren't educated and are incapable of integrating, so they shouldn't be allowed entry.

    Proper oversight is needed so people that are actually interested in a better life can be given that chance and those that seek chaos should stay home.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    So you agree that we should be processing the asylum requests and then coming to a decision as soon as possible rather than simply leaving everybody in a state of limbo in some random hotel?

    As always, your racist take shows that you don't actually know anything about the subject matter.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm currently working and living over 8 years in another country in a place that is about 1300 kilometres away from home so i'm kinda familiar with the whole process of moving to another country and making a life there but sure racism is what you got from my comment.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    You literally said that the problem is a lack of oversight on the "kind of people" what kinds of people are you talking about? Are you talking about the habitual criminals that are easily detectable because of some physical trait? Maybe they have a particular style of facial hair, or a convenient "I am a gang member" tattoo, or perhaps it's just the colour of their skin who knows.
    You're a racist, you might not think of yourself as a racist, but the way you choose to express yourself outs you as one.

    More importantly though is the fact that you don't appear to have picked up on the key point, which is that these asylum claims are not being processed. You are angry about something that is in fact not happening, these people aren't been processed and let into the country despite being criminals, these people are not being processed yet are in the country anyway. If you want to solve the problem you actually have to solve the problem but the Conservatives decided to defund immigration precisely so they would be able to continue to have a group that they could hit with a big stick just to have something to keep the Gammons angry.

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    You are a racist piece of shit.

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    I'm currently working and living over 8 years in another country in a place that is about 1300 kilometres away from home so i'm kinda familiar with the whole process of moving to another country and making a life there but sure racism is what you got from my comment. And you are an ignorant twat.

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    civilised countries

    Take off your pith helmet, Rudyard, it's not the 19th century any more. I'm surprised you didn't refer to them as benighted savages. Probably your vocabulary doesn't include the phrase.

    these people

    Another expression that indicates you have nothing worthwhile to say.

    aren’t educated and are incapable of integrating

    If you're referring to Sikhs, you're wrong on both counts. Sikhs have high literacy, high educational and economic attainment, and Sikh communities outside Punjab are well-known for engaging constructively in civil society. Don't let anecdata based on one fucked-up young man and his fucked-up family mislead you about the bigger picture.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    Hon, your dear Prince Andrew is in Epstein file.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    What has Prince Andrew to do with mass immigration? Never read such nonsense, but what else can I expect from leftist 🤷‍♂️AFAIK they never work, always the others have to pay, never take responsibility for their actions, it is always the others’ fault … they are lost cases.

    Now you can downvote me into oblivion, because this is the only thing you can do 😂😂😂

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    What has Prince Andrew to do with mass immigration?

    It was a suggestion that ethnic English people, even in the highest reaches of the establishment, are also capable of the most degraded forms of criminality. So why the focus on immigrants?

    Do try to keep up.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You should probably sue your mother for poor quality workmanship when producing you, because I can't imagine being so dull witted that you were unable to work that one out.

    Given the fact that Andrew is demonstrably British, I would suggest that the nationality of someone doesn't have much to do with their ability to be a criminal.

    Also unless you are proposing to present us with a minority report style prediction system, I'm not exactly sure how anyone would have known that this particular individual was necessarily more a threat, than any other person from that nationality.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

    What has Prince Andrew to do with mass immigration? Never read such nonsense, but what else can I expect from leftist 🤷‍♂️

    What has immigration to do with one British person stabbing another. Seems even your complaining about non-sequitors is biased. What else can we expect from the right wing except selective outrage.

    As you're engaging in bad faith allow me to: what we should really be worried about is white on white violence. Knife crime in the UK isn't all that bad, when you remove white gang activity, even more so when you remove men-on-men violence.

    All of which to highlight, your position isn't a serious one genuinely held. You don't dislike non-sequitors, you engage in them. You disliked their argument, and it is convenient for you to say you don't like non-sequitors in this moment. You aren't serious. This culture war nonsense, the British right loves so much, is merely a distraction from the Epstein class robbing us blind.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (8 children)

    What fantasy world you livin’ in? You’re talkin’ like you’ve never heard of chings, opps, or where them man come from.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    I'm just making fun of the frequent cases of thought terminating double think among the British/global right.

    I thought that was obvious, I highlighted the double think in this very thread, then went on to list a bunch more...

    It's a distraction from the Epstein class robbing us blind. We can tell because of the Panama papers, listen to Murdoch/Epstein in the titular files, they'll tell you themselves. The British right aren't serious people with a serious point to make, they'll say what ever, when ever to justify their presupposed position, source: you.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    You’re movin’ like you don’t know the roads at all. Bare white boys get used as fodder. Black gangs are the ones patternin’ the ends.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'm sure you believe that. Anyway here's the data: [https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2025#offences-involving-firearms].

    Anyway, the most violent demographic in this country is men, men killing men all over the land. Regardless of colour or belief or wealth, it's all men.

    What do you want to do to men because they're so violent. I've heard rumblings of deportation, do you want to deport all men, or is deportation not an effective measure for violence?

    Or would you like to drop the nonsense and talk about how you're being robbed blind by the wealthy elite funding your media.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

    ... and suddenly they don't want to talk about violent demographics anymore, thanks for demonstrating my point. It's thought terminating double think all the way down.

    If I can puppet you so easily, just think what billionaires can do to you. I swear I was elbow deep at one point, if you find my watch may I have it back? What would you do if was caught lacking Kermit? Prove my point a third time?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    You trippin, bro.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (2 children)

    I don't think you realise what happend to you.

    I said the British right argue in bad faith willing to drop positions the moment they become inconvenient. In that comment I told you I was giving you a bunch of bad faith positions to take up.

    You valiantly took up a bad faith position to defend.

    I made the position inconvenient

    You dropped it.

    You dont like me, you were at your most guard. and I did that to you, and I did that to you in my downtime at work... And I'm an idiot... What do you think Rupert Murdoch could do to you, read the Epstein files and he'll tell you.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    You're movin' clueless, bro. Nothin' I'm sayin' is sinkin' in, and you ain't even clocked the situation.

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    You haven't said anything.

    You're movin' clueless, bro. Nothin' I'm sayin' is sinkin' in, and you ain't even clocked the situation.

    See this? Pointless. Do you have anything beyond "nuh uh"? You're just yapping: yap yap yap. Say something.

    You wanted to talk about non-sequitors, then you didn't. You wanted to talk about dangerous demographics, then you didn't. Do you actually want to talk about anything at all? Anything you're not going to drop the moment it becomes inconvenient? Or are you just going to yap away?

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