“Experts in Europe warn that these devices are used to record strangers without their consent, possibly breaching EU law.”

“A small LED light is designed to indicate when recording is taking place, but RTBF's investigators found that tutorials explaining how to conceal the indicator are abundant and easily accessible online.”

Sometimes I have a hard time deciding who I despise more, parasite Mark Zuckerberg or its witless hosts who keep using its products—yes, Zuck's pronoun is it. Ban Ray-Ban, for frick's sake.

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[–] 173 points 5 months ago (20 children)

Who would’ve known this would happen? Everyone. Meta knew people would use it for the bad and they still decided to go on with it because money.

Hope there will be a way to prevent being recorded, like some tech that disables it or something.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    like some tech that disables it or something.

    The word you're looking for is "hammer".

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Baseball bats have better range.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, but nothing delivers the message better than calming grabbing the glasses, put them on the table in front of the glasshole, smash them with the hammer in a single confident blow and then placing the remnants back on their face. No words spoken, just a powerfull message delivered.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    There are lights that work on some cameras. I'm not sure which (infrared, I think prolly others). Search the web. They exist. But how are you gonna have that at all times everywhere? Easier to set the Meta HQ on fire. And that's prolly not easy.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    But how are you gonna have that at all times everywhere?

    Someone made a hoodie with IR LED lights all around the face. I bet one could also build it into a necklace or something, but you'd need some sort of battery in your pocket to power them.

    The real problem with these is that they are only really effective at night. In daylight, the blinding effect of the LEDs is minimized.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    there are open source android apps that tell you when a meta rayban is nearby (using the phone's ability to scan nearby bluetooth devices) which isn't really good enough but it's something i guess

    https://github.com/yjeanrenaud/yj_nearbyglasses

    if you're a woman and the creep is a man, there's always the option of pepper spray i guess, though then you will have to justify yourself somehow. i don't think predominantly male chud cops will accept the reasoning of "i feel unsafe" from women, even if it's true and valid.

    as for impractical ideas, you can always carry around a 5W laser pointer and then try and fry the camera. of course does not work irl.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I've always thought an EMP bomb would do some good. Snap worker bees out of their unhealthy relationship with working, disable vehicles, make people fulfil their needs physically

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    Years ago I tried calling out the normalization of anybody recording anybody in public without their knowledge or consent, and nobody cared because I was a man so they thought I didn't deserve privacy. Now the headlines frame it as a women's issue and suddenly everyone cares.

    It's not a gendered thing. It's a privacy issue. People didn't care when I raised concerns about it, and I'm not surprised that it's biting people on the ass.

    I still think it's wrong, I just don't find it surprising given people's reactions whenever I raised concerns about it.

    Also, ray-ban was stupid for allowing this because obviously nobody is going to buy their shit anymore. They had a distinctive design that now nobody is going to trust...

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I can tell you the vast majority of people don't care AND Raybans gets their name in the media more often so it's marketing for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    They've made crap sunglasses for a while now. I went to another company for my Aviators.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    I never said I liked raybans, but for a while over a decade ago they were all the rage with the hipster/indie crowd. People liked them, and their style was distinctive. So distinctive that even a cheap knockoff were called "raybans" for the shape of the frame and lenses.

    Now no one in their right mind besides annoying tech bros are going to wear raybans, because anyone who sees them is going to assume they have cameras with facial recognition linked to meta's servers.

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  • [–] 85 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    There was a similar news article in Germany a few days ago. It was about a "pick-up artist/dating coach/influencer" named Erick Ronaldo secretly filming some girl at the Oktoberfest and posting it to his channel where that girl was ridiculed in the comments. (Fun fact: when the news media approached that guy and asked for a statement, he demanded $7,500 for an interview - which they, of course, didn't pay)

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    heimliches Filmen ist aktuell in Deutschland nicht per se strafbar. Besonders in öffentlichen Räumen sind Betroffene kaum geschützt.

    (Roughly in English)

    covert filming isn’t currently illegal in Germany per se. Those filmed are rarely protected, especially in public

    Filming in public not being illegal, I get, but he’s profiting off of her likeness. Ideally that would be illegal itself, but even if not, could she not sue him for a share? Obviously, putting the burden on victims is not a great remedy, especially because it’s expensive, a huge hassle, and risks the Streisand effect, but I could see a women’s rights organization orchestrating it for her and it might be possible to keep her identity secret.

    Again, I don’t think that’s ideal, but it seems better than nothing and wouldn’t preclude criminal charges from going through if the government does figure out how to prosecute this

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Filming by itself isn't illegal in Germany, but publishing the footage without consent of everyone in the video is. ("Recht am eigenen Bild") Don't know how this applies if the perpetrator is from the USA and publishes the recording there, though.

    And even if - good luck in suing someone from the US while you're still in Germany.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You could at least get it taken down from YouTube through German privacy rights, since it was filmed in Germany.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, probably. But this doesn't help much when the damage is already done, i.e. people have already commented bad things. And might even entice people (that might've downloaded it) to upload it again. Also, not sure whether this works as easy on e.g. TikTok.

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  • [–] 62 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Another privacy epidemic unfolding, only waiting when it auto link people you see om the streets to their social media profiles

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    I never understood why a well-known brand like RayBan would want to be associated with this.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    as literally almost all glasses brands

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  • [+] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Gatorade never had vitamins, even in its original formulation. It was flavored water with salt to help athletes with electrolyte depletion.

    Also, Gatorade is owned by Pepsi. Maybe you're thinking of Powerade, which was crap.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Most people are so stupid and just do whatever they're told to the extent that if meta releases these glasses and tells you that they're cool, then people will be like, wow, these glasses are cool. Rayban just wants in on it. It makes a lot of sense unfortunately.

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  • [–] 77 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Stories like this are gonna get worse. These glasses naturally self-select for assholes.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Right? It's a collab between Meta and Ray-Ban ffs, what kind of people did they think were going to be buying them?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I kinda like Ray-Ban (their luxotica ties notwithstanding) and my current eyeglasses and sunglasses are RB. But the partnership with Meta is what really turns me off, and may actually persuade me to make sure my next pair are not RB.

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  • [–] 68 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I'm being filmed without my consent by corporations everywhere I go

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    In Europe, they often don't. Enforcement is difficult though.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, unwritten laws are a silly idea.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    A small LED light is designed to indicate when recording is taking place, but RTBF's investigators found that tutorials explaining how to conceal the indicator are abundant and easily accessible online.

    You need a tutorial to use a piece of electrical tape?

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  • [–] 52 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    The free app NearbyGlasses can detect their Bluetooth signal and tell you if someone is wearing them in range of your phone.

    This could save you from being filmed by influencers, or creeps. Let the women in your life know.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.pocketpc.nearbyglasses

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Ugh watch me install this then have it just be government owned spyware

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Developed by a PhD professor in the Sociology of Gender and the Applied Sciences at LMU Munich:

    https://yves.jeanrenaud.net/

    This is apparently their first app, as they're a programming hobbyist. Their research is in technology's effects on women and gender relations.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    as they're a programming hobbyist.

    So they vibe-coded it. No thanks.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    If you actually looked at the link that they gave you, it's pretty obvious that the person has a lot of programming experience. I would say less than 2% of the developers I've ever met have an app on the app store so for a lot of them it would be their first app if they published one too.

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    [–] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

    The world has gone to shit because capitalism created a reality where Mark Zuckerberg's dreams come true.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    If only people had said "no thanks, I'm good" when Fakebook rolled out. Of course something else equally as shitty would have probably taken its place.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    If only people would just stop fucking using it. It's still a choice to use it.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I quit facebook about 15 years ago. I still have people trying to share facebook links with me or suggesting I make a fake account for whatever bullshit reason they think I need one. Even reasonable and well-educated people in my life don't seem to understand the purpose of not having facebook is not having fucking facebook.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Hindsight is 20/20 but only few, if any, expected how big of a giant piece of shit Facebook will become and especially its founder. Most people thought it is just another fad, and expected it will go the way of most other social media sites at the time such as Friendster, Bebo and MySpace.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Zuck was always a giant piece of shit. On discussing the information its first users' willingness to give personal details to The Face Book back at (?) Harvard (?) he said: "... They just send it to me. They trust me. The dumb fucks."

    He was mask-off from the beginning. We're (society, not addressing anyone individually) just really blind to threats when distracted by shiny, noisy crap.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    Most people would not have known about what Zuck in the earlier years of Facebook. Heck, even to this day, either most people still don't know or don't care. Facebook is still extremely popular in developing countries because the site is free regardless of whether or not you have a mobile internet data. But they don't realise they are being manipulated by the social media to give them free information and to vote a certain way in elections that is against their own interest.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    You forget this is, by definition, before Facebook. It’s also before any social media became popular. People had never heard the name Zuckerberg, let alone heard what he was like. And people had not had to deal with this type of predatory company. Google was still “don’t be devil”, and Microsoft was a completely different type of predator - one asking for money, not giving things for free.

    As others have said: hindsight is easy, but this was a very different time.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It's kind of like survivorship bias: The ones who rise to the very top must be the most ruthless and biggest pieces of shit. It's like taking 20 trials to rise to the top, and to succeed each trial fucking others over and only concerning yourself with your advancement is beneficial. It only leaves the worst.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Idk. Bans on recording someone in public without their consent, feel like a really difficult thing to properly enforce -- with or without the glasses. The number of people doing it with Smartphones already, in most jurisdictions at least, would make such a law's wide-spread enforcement seem implausible. And I mean, you're in a public area, so you sorta need to expect less privacy.... because it's in public?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Most places have laws on this. Often, it is legal to film/take photos, but not to focus on individuals.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yeah, I'm not as fussed over having laws on books, but on whether those laws are realistically enforceable. Like I recall reading at some point that lots of jurisdictions in the states define things like Orgies as a group of three or more people in a private dwelling without shoes on, based on ancient prudish attempts to describe what goes on. That's a law that's "on the books", but practically unenforceable.

    Same sort of thought pattern, to me, generally applies to the recording of people in public. It's practically implausible that govt can enforce it uniformly, and it's on the books just so they can 'throw another book' at a perp who's been arrested for far greater offenses. There are also potential issues with 'two party consent' type recording setups, where one party is wanting to document events for legitimate reasons (recording an interaction with police, to CYA).

    Idk. People taking pictures / recording public 'things', doesn't seem like a practical area for privacy legislation to come in overly heavy handed on.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Ya at least you can tell if someone's pointing a phone at you and recording you. Can't do that so easily when its glasses though. I knew these things were gonna be trouble from the start.

    Dumb ficks buying these and helping the ultra wealthy expand their surveillance network. Jfc

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    One of the issues is that there are legitimate uses for the tech. Like there was a post recently of a girl with hearing disabilities, ecstatic that she'd gotten glasses that provide real-time subtitles to people she talks to. A business / space with a "No Smart Glasses" policy, could essentially be denying people with disabilities access, which could land them in hot water just the same as allowing unfettered smart glass recordings.

    Having them become more ubiquitous will also likely have severe impact on regular day to day interactions, even outside of the pervo-sphere. Talking with friends, or even interactions with other parties, can become a lot more complicated when people can record every word, can take those exchanges out of context, and use them against you in things like court proceedings. Eg. friends will often embellish comments/positions a bit for dramatic effect / story-telling purposes, with an understanding that it's not got to be perfectly accurate / you're going to be held accountable for every phrase. So you're right, that the more 'obvious' recording setup of phones limits this risk a bit... but not for long.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Not all smart glasses have cameras. A camera is not needed for real time subtitles.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    It was an example of use cases for wearable tech and people with disabilities. Cameras aren't 'technically' required for the other example I noted related to eavesdropping. There are plausible reasons why people with disabilities would need glasses with cameras, and 'recording' people extends beyond just camera-based recordings. The issue is more with ubiquitous, covert, wearable smart-tech.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I think you can ban using such recordings in social media posts and such. The line your have to watch for is news reporters vs social media influencers. But it would at least enable prosecution of the dumb ones who don't even claim to be news reporters...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I'd stopped short of noting that it'd prolly be more realistic to enforce regulations on wide-spread sharing / social media hosting of such content. Like in some ways, recording someone in public for whatever reason seems reasonable -- recording interactions with police, for example, being an area that makes a good deal of sense -- but posting those recordings, especially with the implied 'hope' that they go viral / generate notoriety and/or monetized returns, is pretty dicey.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, it's hard to make a law that stops this, but doesn't get used against actual journalists. And the way the news media is trending more toward being social media influencer isn't helping. Maybe entitling the person to compensation based on what the influencer got might be possible. That would keep at least free journalists out of the picture. And the paid journalists can afford to pay people if something goes viral, or to take the time to get a waiver or something. Or maybe a combination involving secret recordings, since most of the regular news media is pretty obvious.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    looks like governments are going to need more specific rules for smaller regions within cities. that would be a start, but ironically, it would probably drive more surveillance in public spaces.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Who could have seen this coming? Who?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I am so lucky I have been to french quarter celebrations before smartphones. Some things are meant to be experienced and not documented.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I honestly don't understand why these glasses have become so mainstream

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