Seriously. Not dystopian science fiction or a new novel by an AI version of George Orwell. Actual corporations — what America’s first Supreme Court Justice, John Marshall, in 1819 called “an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law” — are today voting in elections for everything from the mayor and town council to referendums on corporate taxes and limits on corporate behavior.

What could possibly go wrong?

There are, after all, more corporations than people in Delaware. They can now decide who’s going to run the government, what the laws are, and — through their votes to elect humans who’ll take corporate money to do what corporations want (something else that corrupt Republicans on the Supreme Court legalized) — even what regulations companies must follow and what limits there are on their behavior.

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[–] 89 points 5 months ago

“A judge in Delaware, where many big U.S. companies are incorporated, ruled on Tuesday that a small town that allows corporations to vote in municipal elections was not violating the state’s constitution. ”Delaware Superior Court Judge Craig Karsnitz said the beach town of Fenwick Island was not diluting human votes by allowing companies and other legal entities that own property to cast votes in municipal elections.“

Someone please look into this judge's financials.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    So I open a bunch of Delaware corporations and I can run an entire town?

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I believe that’s always been the plan.

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  • [–] 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That's terrible. But also stupid. There's nothing to stop each citizen from creating hundreds of corporations.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    The corporations have to hold property within the municipality they're voting in, I guess? So there would have to be some fuckery for the population to do that. But yeah if they can afford the fees for incorporation and get around that minor restriction I'm pretty sure this is explicitly the goal...

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    They'll need to give Delaware more votes in the electoral college as well to account for its massive dollar-weighted population of corporations.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    oh, just finished reading the "article". It's kinda just an ad for Hartman's new book, this has been going on for 140 years. There was just a recent ruling upholding it is all, Reuters has the actual article. Used to listen to Hartman a lot back in the day, sad to see him using a clickbait-inaccurate title.

    Delaware court upholds voting by companies in small town's election (actual correct article title)

    The American Civil Liberties Union ​of Delaware sued the town, arguing it violated the elections clause of the state ⁠constitution. The group sought a court order blocking Fenwick Island from counting votes by "non-human artificial entities" in future elections. Nonresident voting in local elections has been permitted ​in Fenwick Island since it was incorporated in 1953, according to the court ruling. In 2008, Delaware's General Assembly amended ‌the charter ⁠to allow non-resident voting by artificial entities, including corporations, partnerships, trusts and limited liability companies, which must be chartered in Delaware.

    Definitely shitty situation, but wtf Thom? From his opinion article:

    Seriously. Not dystopian science fiction or a new novel by an AI version of George Orwell. Actual corporations

    From the reuters article:

    Karsnitz said he appreciated that the ACLU of Delaware might disagree with ​corporate voting. "Visions ⁠of faceless large corporations or even HAL controlling a small town are frightening and the stuff of science fiction," he wrote

    Is this just AI eating itself or like blatant lazy-plagiarism style writing to make an ad?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    How? What is the physical process by which they mark the ballot? Are voting booths going to have to be made to accommodate large buildings?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago*

    Let me get that for you: YES you ARE insane

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Citizens United was the death of what little democracy the USA had left.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    Yes, insane and wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Well, I have at least one corp registered there...time to look into how this works.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    How very Shadowrun of you Delaware!

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    this is so absurd and will cause such a ridiculous result it will have to lead to reform. of course its going to be a real shitshow in the meantime. grab your popcorn, shits about to get weird.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    We’ve been insane for so long, everyone should read The Paranoid Style in American Politics for more on this

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    https://youtu.be/Lh2TgokrDfw

    Nope been this way for quite awhile.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    You should only be able to vote if you pay taxes. I'm pretty sure that would exclude most of the "On paper only" corporations that were formed for some sort of underhanded purpose (like to not pay taxes).

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You should only be able to vote if you pay taxes.

    This seems like a very weird proposition to me. So if you're unemployed, no vote, but if you are a legal construct without a soul or a conscience, but you pay taxes, you're welcome to vote? How is this sensible? It's kind of discouraging and a little jarring to hear regular people valuing their fellow citizens by the taxes they pay. Paying taxes is certainly not the only way you can contribute to society, and shouldn't be used to gatekeep your participation in said society.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Unemployed pay taxes on unemployment wages. They pay sales taxes. And countless other taxes... Only way to avoid paying taxes is not exist in society.

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    [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    In a few weeks, my next book will be coming out, “Who Killed the American Dream: The Greatest Political Crime Ever Told,” and the timing couldn’t be more synchronous.

    Not for nothing, but this whole article reads like an ad for their book.

    Not that this isn't a problem, obviously, but it's also a new ruling that seems pretty likely to get thrown out on appeal. I don't think this is worth getting hysterical over.

    It's also not all elections. It's limited to municipal votes where businesses own brick and mortar. The actual case is a town that's basically all businesses with few residents, as far as I can tell, and the ruling allows businesses to vote on town business only, as it effects them as well.

    That said, I agree it's a bad ruling. And I agree that it should be overturned (as I think it will.) But to imply that this allows someone to spin up 100k LLCs and rig the vote for Donal Trump or something is a willful misreading of the ruling.

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  • Yes, yes we are.

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    Who decides what the corporation votes for?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Yes but we're just now noticing it.

    At least a couple people are.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    How many shell companies registered in Delaware do you need to throw an electric?

    Delaware? That's shell company paradise.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago