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[–] 178 points 1 year ago
[–] 138 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Superman as an immigrant's story is one of the oldest and most obvious analyses of the character. It's barely even subtext; it's just text. Imagine how he'll react when he finds out Superman was originally a New Deal socialist who went around smashing up corrupt capitalists' businesses for safety violations.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    The quintessential symbol of heroism, of 'The American Way', Superman, was created during the rise of fascism and nazism by two Midwestern Jewish boys, one of whom had immigrated from Canada and whose parents were immigrants from Russia and The Netherlands. In the story introducing their character to the world, he saves a wrongly convicted woman from execution, stops a wife beater from killing his wife, and stops a slimy lobbyist and corrupt senator from roping the US into a war with Europe. i.e. it acknowledges that the justice system gets it wrong, that women can be abused and endangered by their husbands, and that congress has a huge corruption and bribery problem. Sounds pretty fucking woke to me. And a few years later had him literally punch Hitler. The idea that they didnt have anything to say with the character about prejudice, about immigrants adopting their new home and being adopted in turn, about politics, is fucking laughable... "too woke". No, Dean, you're too ignorant to think that he ever wasn't "woke".

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago

    Oh, that's the tip if the iceberg. There's one comic where he smashes up the city's slums because he finds out the government will replace them with nicer, rent-subsidized apartments. There's another where he traps a mine owner and all of his rich friends in a cave-in because of unsafe working conditions. Then there was the time he decided to take on traffic safety by smashing cars until the mayor promised to start enforcing traffic violations. Old-school Superman was one of those violent, radical-leftists the conservatives are so scared of.

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  • [+] 380 points 1 year ago (8 children)
  • [–] 162 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The very notion of superman is woke. With his powers, he could rule earth. Instead he helps kids and little old ladies with nothing to gain for himself. The guy is empathy incarnate.

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  • [–] 101 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    An Illegal alien at that. He can't even claim Birthright Citizenship, if we still followed the Constitution I mean.

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  • [–] 186 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Dean Cain is an idiot. So there's that.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He's also not white so what does he gain from making a stink about this? Japanese superman was the most woke thing to exist until 2018, he's got no room to talk. His show was also basically about superman's girlfriend, an extremely woke interpretation of superman. We can do this all day lmao

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    basically about superman's girlfriend,

    And casting Teri Hatcher in that role, someone who's very expressive and versatile, was a huge success.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    My girlfriend and I watched a couple episodes of Lois and Clarke recently because we were like "woke superman?" and then found out about dean cain being a maga idiot lmao I had never heard of dean cain before but it was so weird to have that kind of whiplash. Pick a lane, guy.

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  • [–] 87 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Wait can someone explain since when is superman not an immigrant? Bro literally fell from the sky or some shit from an alien planet. How the fuck is he not an immigrant? Oh right hes white.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Not that it is incorrect to call him an immigrant, but I do think "castaway" and "refugee" fit his situation a little better. Still a xenophobic thing to say he's not an immigrant. Every single document regarding Clark Kent's existence is falsified, so he is, by definition, an illegal alien.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    They actually changed this in the mid-90s (and since changed it back). From 96-09, he was a legal US citizen because his "rocket" was somehow just incubating the embryonic Kal-El and thus he was ACTUALLY born on American soil from the Birthing Matrix.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean from a lore standpoint thats interesting but for the overall story him being an immigrant works much better.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In principle a baby found on U.S. soil that you cannot find the parents of is assumed to be a baby born in the U.S. and therefore a U.S. citizen by birth according to the 14th amendment.

    Anyone who thinks they are going to be sent to a concentration camp could ditch their baby at a fire station and I can't see how it wouldn't be a citizen.

    You can't prove the child came from insert country unless you are taking blood samples from all the kids and populous and cross checking them to see if they match. It would cost way more than just ignoring it.

    Mother's give home births all the time. And if people are anti abortion, then they better be ready for a lot of babies dropped off at fire stations without paperwork

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    he was ACTUALLY born on American soil from the Birthing Matrix.

    Reader: "How is he not an immigrant alien?"

    90s DC Retconners: Slaps the side of a weird techno-widget "Space Wizards did it."

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You're also forgetting he is generally considered a good guy and wears Red (valor and bravery) and blue(vigilance, peserverence, and justice) on the American flag. He doesn't wear white as that represents purity and innocence.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    How is it a mistake? Kal El is literally from another planet! The term "immigrant" or "alien" could not possibly apply more.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Superman isn't just an immigrant. He's a refugee when his home was destroyed by civil war. He came to the USA and made it better because he's an immigrant.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    If the only thing Cain has to whine about in 2025 is denying Superman's leftist origins written by depression era immigrants, he's really got nothing to complain about or is trying to distract from some bullshit or sell something

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  • [+] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago

    Dean Cain has been a bitch for years...

    He drank the maga Kool aid a long time ago

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago

    Worst Superman has harsh words for creator of better Superman. After playing the part for a decade, Dean Cain still doesn't understand the character.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Everything i don't like is woke (or communism).

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    This is peak absurdity. You have a being from another planet, the being is sent from another planet because his planet was about to explode. In a last ditch attempt he was sent to earth by his parents. It surely sounds like a person who could be identified as an immigrant, illegal alien or asylum seeker.

    Did Covid make dumb people even dumber? Ignorance certainly is bliss..

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Did COVID make dumb people even dumber?

    No, they were always that dumb. They probably just projected themselves onto Superman because he's a strong white man and clearly strong white people cannot be illegal immigrants because that breaks their pathetic little power trip fantasy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is specifically comments by Dean Cain, a man who once played Superman, but didn't seem to actually pay attention to any of the scripts, because he became a right wing grifter.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    His weirdly horny Superman refused to put on the costume because he thought he was above it.

    Then he stopped being a hero because he didn't want to help people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think you're confusing Smallville and Lois & Clark.

    Two different shows. Smallville was the one with Clark as a "teen" and never showed the costume. It launched the career of Alison Mack, of NXIVM sex cult fame.

    Dean Cain was in Lois & Clark, and wore the costume throughout the show. But he also took a hard right turn afterward while trying to stay relevant.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I mean, he may be right that it'll hurt the box office to polarize the public, but Superman is as much an illegal alien as you can get.

    Come to think of it, what is the story regarding his birth certificate, citizenship etc? Did Ma and Pa Kent claim a home birth and get him documented?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Probably, when did the original Superman even come? 40's? Records were pretty lazy back then, especially in rural America.

    I don't even know if being "illegal" was a thing, we might have still had an open immigration policy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    In Smallville, I think mama and papa Kent had help from papa Luthor in the paperwork department so officially they adopted an orphan. I don't remember what, if anything, happened to the original orphan whose info they used.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Depends on what comics. From what i read in some comic series he was actually birthed on earth and was able to run for president. While in other comic series he came as a baby and was adopted ( which, if unknown origins, means us citizenship iirc ).

    Edit: not sure why im getting downvoted. I said what is true, that in most comics he's a baby that came from krypton, and due to us laws was basically adopted as a us citizen. Doesnt make him less of an immigrant...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I don't think they adopted him as in a legal process, I think they just pretended that he was their biological son. You can't just go to the court and be like "We found a baby, can we keep it?". They could have surrendered the infant to law enforcement and then petitioned to adopt it, but afaik this never happened the Comics, Movies or TV Shows (including the one Dean Cain was on). So while it's true that he was a US citizen, it was because the Kent's lied about his origin.

    From what i read in some comic series he was actually birthed on earth and was able to run for president.

    If you are referring to Kalel/ Calvin Ellis from Earth 23, he wasn't born on Earth either. He was born on Krypton like the other Supermen.

    The point that GaMEChld and James Gunn are making is that even if Kal-El was made a legal citizen he is still very much an immigrant (and technically an illegal Alien) and none of that matters one single bit. Being born on U.S. Soil to American parents doesn't make you a good citizen and being born somewhere else doesn't make you a bad one.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That is only the story in a couple of comics of the 90's.

    Since its conception in the 30's, Superman has always been an illegal immigrant from Krypton.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Correct indeed. Not sure why im getting downvoted though.
    He was an immigrant in most comics, yes. But not illegal lol

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Would he not be considered an illegal alien? It's not like he was sent to the US under standard procedures. He was basically dumped at a US homestead.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah, and I'm sure that any of the paperwork that was involved in getting him a SSN or birth certificate must have involved some form of fraud in the process. Someone had to tell a lie at some point.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Well, Superman wasn't born in the U.S.A to parents in the U.S.A..

    He travelled as an unaccompanied minor to the USA. I hate to say it but it seems pretty obvious to me he's not from 'round here with the whole flying and laser eyes thing too.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    DUDE! In the 1940s they called Superman an immigrant... HE IS A FUCKING ALIEN!

    Also he was an ILLEGAL alien! His escape pod landed outside some childless couple's farm house in the mid-west, and bless their hearts the first thing they did was adopt him.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He was brought to (or rather, fired at) Earth as a baby. Arguably he should be first in line to be a DACA recipient.

    He also spends his spare time literally fighting a billionaire, so there's that...

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Acrtion Comics #1 ...Lets see:

    • Superman persuades the Governor to stay the execution of an innocent death-row inmate (p. 3-4)
    • Beats up an abusive husband (p. 6-7)
    • Dumps some rich sex-pests out of their car (p. 9-10)
    • Intervenes in a corrupt lobbyist bribing a DC Senator (p. 11-end)

    "When did Superman become so WOOOooooOOOke????"

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    He's litteraly immigrant. It's objective fact. What he's talking about? He think calling Wonder Woman a woman is "making her woke"?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Not just that. Pretty sure he fits the definition of “illegal immigrant” pretty well. Doubt that either the baby of the Kent family filled out any immigration or asylum forms

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Dean Cain can lick a sweaty nutsack. An embarrassment in the history of Superman casting.

    Him and Kevin Sorbo can lick boots together while they swap stories about how they used to play strong guys on TV but now spend their time being weak-willed sheep IRL.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    An illegal alien immigrant at that!

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    He’s literally an illegal alien. Like, according to every definition of the words.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Dean Cain was in one of the 'God's not Dead" movies. That tells you all you need to know about him.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Die in a fire, Dean.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    It's almost like these people have no clue about the source material at all. Reminds me of religious folks 😂

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What else would superman be? Are you gonna change the lore so Krypton is a small town in Kansas?

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Well, you can fuck off Dean Cain.

    Superman is an assimilated Jewish diaspora immigrant.

    "Name?"

    "Kal-El"

    "Clark Kent, got it."

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dean Cain was absolute shit as 'Murica's favorite mascot — regardless of the unavoidable fact that the character came from another world in every single iteration across all mediums ...so far. 😶

    Fuck you and your fetid career, you dumbass, Dean. 🖕🏼🤣

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Which iteration was he? I'm in the wilderness and don't have any bars

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman

    Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman is an American superhero television series based on the DC Comics character Superman created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. It stars Dean Cain as Clark Kent / Superman and Teri Hatcher as Lois Lane. The series aired on ABC from September 12, 1993, to June 14, 1997.[1]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_%26_Clark:_The_New_Adventures_of_Superman

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