This should be in upliftingnews, despite the irony of the rocket's lift being in all directions.
It's especially nice to hear it was an anomaly. Bad news for Jeff is always good news for the rest of us.
This should be in upliftingnews, despite the irony of the rocket's lift being in all directions.
It's especially nice to hear it was an anomaly. Bad news for Jeff is always good news for the rest of us.
That explosion probably cost him 7 minutes of Amazon profits.
Someone posted video at https://lemmy.world/post/47479986
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I have never used Amazon, and I don't ever plan to
Maybe not consciously. But if you regularly use the internet, there's a 100% chance you regularly use something that's at least partially hosted on Amazon Web Services.
That's the biggest underlying issue with Amazon: they've got their fingers in every pie they can find. And they get tax breaks and government handouts to do it.
bold statement. I guarantee you have used Amazon, just not willingly or knowingly.
OK, I'll bite
How so?
AWS hosts a wide majority of internet content. if you have used the internet today, you would have a 90% chance to have used an Amazon product.
also, Amazon is more than an online retailer and provide distribution and logistical support. I have bought items from eBay that were shipped and delivered from Amazon. doesn't stop there either, Amazon is one of the predominant worldwide shipping suppliers. there's a chance that if you bought anything imported, it came from Amazon shipping.
a company as profitable as Amazon became profitable because they maintain a diverse service line. you use them even if you don't intend to do so.
going out of your way to not use one of their many services is commendable, though has little impact on their quarterly profit goals.
They don't have the same stranglehold in my country, and despite being here, I'm basically a Luddite
I live a very simple life with as little tech as possible outside of my electric car and solar powered house
My TV is fifteen years old, which is great because it doesn't connect to the internet, and it's seldom on anyway
I really wish there were decent alternatives. It's one of the few places left with decent return polices, since it's nearly impossible to go to a store and try on affordable clothes or other things that need to be interacted with before deciding to keep. The only stores these days seem to be expensive stuff or they're small and only sell the most expensive stuff the store offers, the websites have the less expensive stuff, but return policies suck or you have to keep going to the store to return stuff (if you're lucky enough to have one local with all of the malls and shopping centers basically barren) rather than just trying on a bunch in a changing room and putting it back on the hanger. Same for many other products. I'd be lost without Amazon, but I wasn't lost before Amazon, just that they and Walmart, etc., destroyed everything else.
Maybe where you live
I'm fortunate enough to live in a civilised country
Congrats, I wish it was that way here, but the US is labor union and worker rights -phobic these days. Companies will sometimes literally murder you for trying to start one. Just joked about how I had 5 people's jobs now and said "isn't this when the unions are supposed to step in," and everyone went super quiet and asked if the call was being recorded. Easy way to get fired by even discussing worker rights here.
Apparently you can't vibe code a rocket, coz, checks notes, rocket science is hard and everyone who could moved from the US like smart people do.
That's the one they take billionaires up to space for joy rides, right?
I support this development.
It's a shame this happened to one of the rockets NASA might use rather than a tourist rocket full of rich people.
As I said in another thread the only truly disappointing thing here was Jeff Bezos wasn't anywhere near the rocket when it exploded.
I'm in Central Florida, and last night's news had a guy on who is deeply plugged in, and he was saying that it is "hard to overestimate" the damage this does to the timetable, which included a big combination of forces between Blue Horizon, Space X, and NASA. This was BH's giant rocket, the biggest in history, and the entire plan revolved around this rocket, and it just had as catastrophic a failure as is possible. It will be months before it's ready again, maybe longer.
I grew up watching rocket launches since the 60s, and it was always many months between launches, with only one or two a year. They've gotten used to firing off multiple rockets a week, and forgot how volatile they are. The current mission was already an ambitious launch schedule, with every single launch coming off perfectly, which is never a guarantee. Now it's back to the drawing board, and since they had such a tight unforgiving schedule, this pushes back every other deadline, acrossultiple companies, for years into the future.
The expert also mentioned that the Chinese, who are scheduled to land on the Lunar South Pole before we do, has a simple, elegant plan to get to the moon, while we have a very complicated plan, with multiple companies, and lots of moving parts.
We're losing the 21st Century Space Race to China. We're losing everything to China.
Never mind the damage it did to the launch pad.
And there is concern about possible damage to the other rocket in the FAB
That launch pad damage is going to be a massive setback for them. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is down for a year plus. That was their only New Glenn launchpad so it’s not like they have other options. So we are really down to a SpaceX Starship for Artemis 3 if they can get remotely close to being ready at some point. Yesterday I would have told you that Blue Origin was our only hope at staying close to the new timelines. At this point, I will be shocked if we land on the moon before 2032 at the absolute earliest.
This was BH’s giant rocket, the biggest in history
New Glenn is large-ish, but it is not the biggest rocket in history. Starship is much bigger, for example.
...I wonder how much "corporate sabotage" goes into this stuff now. Like stuxnet or fast16.

Huh, what? Sabotage? Nono, spicy hay!
Good sabotage looks like an accident.
I mean. It's high level engineers working on these things. They would know how to make it look like an accident.
AI rabbit or filter?
It's kind of depressing that we've gotten to the point where that question needs to be asked...
I was thinking that myself.
It really seems like something maybe another billionaire would do to stay ahead. It's just a game to them. These are just pieces on a board.
It'd be easy to pay engineers to pretend to be frustrated, leave, and get hired into critical positions at competing companies. All they have to do after that is be completely incompetent at engineering while making sure nobody picks up that one bolt was a micrometer too big.
Frankly, it would be more likely to be the Chinese, who have their own manned moon landing planned. We're in a new space race, and most people don't realize it. With this explosion, were in distant second place.
Nice firework! Bit expensive tho.
Hopefully it's not a design issue. Somebody needs to compete with SpaceX so Elon Musk doesn't have an iron grip on space. Bezos sucks but at least they'd be forced to keep other in check if New Glenn works.
Here's an idea: instead of private corporations sucking $20B a year on bad engineering, why not directly use that money for a not for profit federal agency?
We could call it the National Aeronautic Space Administration for Launches. Or, NASAL.
believe me, I am all for public space. The problem is Congress fucking sucks. And also NASA can't afford as much as said private corporations
But how are we gonna make any money on that? What about all the red tape??
hashtag think of the billionaires
NASA just made a rocket - the Space Launch System. It was ridiculously more expensive than SpaceX's rocket. And the Space Shuttle before that was also very expensive and suboptimal.
I am not a private sector fundamentalist (fuck privatized healthcare), but rocket launches is one area where the private sector has proven better than the public sector.
The thing is. SLS is ludicrously more expensive then Space X rocket because congress basically strong armed NASA into re-using shuttle hardware to keep jobs. And SLS can put about 100t, twice as much payload to orbit compared to Falcon Heavy.
Shuttle was supposed to be a lot more reusable, with a reusable 1st stage, as well as the shuttle we know. But, post Apolo budget cut (and quite frankly technological limitations of 1970s), killed the design. NASA had to compromise further to keep the program going, by offering to allow the air force to use a shuttle for satellite capture (which it never did). And skipping technical details, it made the shuttle even less reusable, and also gave it it's iconic look with the wing in the rears.
I forgot my point so take the info dump for free
My sweet summer child, where do you think NASA actually gets its rockets from? You think they build them themselves? You think there were federal employees bending metal and turning wrenches at the space shuttle factory?
The difference is design and oversight. With a NASA vehicle, the government is in charge of the design process and construction, although these tasks are mostly done by outside companies on government contracts. With a company like SpaceX or Blue Origin, the design and testing and operation is done by the company who then sells launch contracts to NASA.
If you think the government can do better, I encourage you to take a look at SLS.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/12/six-years-after-orions-first-spaceflight-america-still-waits-for-an-encore/ This is a few years old but it's very relevant. As of 2020, NASA had spent more on the Orion vehicle and one flight than SpaceX had spent cumulatively on all space activities combined (including falcon, dragon, Merlin, starlink, and the beginnings of starship)
We have that already: NASA's Space Launch System.
It's ... debatable whether it gives better results than commercial contracts.
I like Administration for National Aeronautics Launches myself if we’re doing a naming competition.
Grabs more attention
Rocket Lab is doing well. Should really take off when they get Neutron off the launch pad
I hope so! But also it's going to need testing and that might take ages. Also New Glenn is competing with Starship / Falcon Heavy iirc so different class
New Glenn wont really be competing with starship if they truly make it rapidly and fully reusable. Its gonna be a massive shift in access to space.
Until thats a proven capability though, then ya theyll be competing.
If starship works, New Glenn will likely only get launches as it'll be imperative to still fund other space programs so there are backups and so they can improve and catch up.
Edit: and any non US country wanting to avoid a US launch partner will be avoiding both of them, so they wont compete that way either.
Who paid for this? Really...?
Everyone buying shit from Amazon without thinking about the choice they're making
Many of the world's problems can be laid at the feet of people putting their personal conveniences above everything else
Considering how Bezos manage to get tax cuts, I'd say the US citizens are paying for this.
No personnel were harmed in the incident, the company said on social media, calling the explosion an ‘anomaly’
Paging @SenatorCollins@aussie.zone
I don't think a single poor person would be better off, if no money was spent on spaceflight. In the grand scheme of things, space budgets are hardly even a rounding error.
I see it differently. Even one thousand dollars, let alone 20 billion, which is the ballpark for expenditure on NASA for example, spent wisely, would help disadvantaged people as well as nature. Even though it is a small part of the overall US budget, it's still a lot of money.
I am not against funding NASA, not at all, but the billionaires who spend money on rockets for space tourists and the like, annoy me no end.
When an expert was contacted for comment about why the rocket exploded, Katy Perry said "Cause, baby, you're a firework!"
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