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[+] 48 points 5 months ago* (7 children)
  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    This is one of the biggest reasons I never got into makeup. I remember being a teen and hearing people ask women, "Are you okay?" when they didn't do their full makeup routine. I thought, "Man, it's got to hurt to feel like having a natural face means something's wrong with you. I'd rather go into the world how I am and have that be accepted as normal."

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    I had a coworker apologizing for her appearance "What's the big deal? You're just not wearing makeup today.", her and another older coworker were surprised and the older one stopped wearing makeup to work the next day with a smile on her face.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    is she pale and uses it to add color? makes a lot of sense.

    i am a very pale dude and people accuse me of being sick my entire life ever since i was a kid. i've never really been sick though.

    it never occurs to people that being pale is natural or acceptable. it's always something to mock, and make fun of and seeing as negative.

    i just think it's fucking weird to be so judgemental and hostile about other people's skin color(s). but i don't ever really comment or think about on other people's pigments or lack thereof.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago

    Natural is also attractive

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Makeup is art, and the face is a canvas. The only time when it isn't okay is when it becomes an expectation rather than something done freely.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I don't even bother with dating profiles where every single photo has a filter on it. It's anyone's guess what the person actually looks like.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Apparently it’s even easier than ever as you can just give a selfie to AI models and it can do all the “photoshopping” for you without actually learning those skills.

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    [–] 73 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    Drop the "usually"

    Very much still a boy if you don't know this

    Some guys sadly never reach the requisite level of maturity to graduate to manhood.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah lol I’d say most men have seen at least a couple women without makeup. Like if nothing else moms/aunts/sisters/cousins, if not friends/intimate partners (if they’re attracted to/date women on the latter point)

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What? Men should know makeup alters your appearance, but how is one supposed to divine how much? Some people are naturally attractive or use less than others. Some people can look drastically different with clever techniques. Some use a ton, that's not apparent in photos.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that you should be able to work it out in your head for every single woman you see, but that makeup actually doing the thing it exists to do shouldn't be this massive shock to anyone who has any close relationships with women in their normal lives. Acting like this app is some big gotcha moment as it's portrayed is maybe one smidge better than being shocked to find out on your 30th birthday that women poop.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)

    Hello, I'm an actual man

    The only ones excluding guys that can't treat women as people are the guys themselves. These really are pretty basic concepts

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

    Who apparently shares much in common with bitter women. It also seems that somehow, trying to deny people their gender identity is totally treating them as people...

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    Dude, this is a discussion about how ignorant guys should not be shocked by what women actually look like.

    And how it's kinda a baseline piece of becoming a mature, well rounded person

    bitter women

    Are you intentionally telling on yourself, or..?

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  • [–] -5 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Seems like it was a conversation about attacking men who don't do what you want by calling them children. But hey, maybe I misunderstood the first post.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You certainly did

    I don't give a shit what they do

    That's completely orthogonal to whether they have mentally matured past the age of 8

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    So you hate the mentally disabled?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    You lost the thread bro try again

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'm just confused. Any adult with mental capabilities of a child would be mentally disabled, no?

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    "Man develops app to put pre-made filter on top of women photo to match developer's opinions based on too much of JoeRogan and other such podcasts"

    I never thought that journalism in 2026 could match back side of my comic book mag from 2006...

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago*

    Last time this picture/tweet was posted I believe the purpose of it was to help locate victims of human trafficking.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder what all that blank space used to say.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    Yes, men usually have Makeup X-ray vision. We can see right through it, and we all know exactly how much you've personally applied, and how good your personal natural skin is. True story.

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  • [–] 60 points 5 months ago (51 children)

    "man develops app to discover women are cute without makeup, more at 11"

    Any man that whines about women wearing makeup in any way is just signaling to everyone he's a waste of their time.

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  • [+] -15 points 5 months ago (43 children)
  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Having a preference and whining are not the same thing.

    Things that are fine to say in relevant social contexts:

    • You look really cute without makeup.
    • I prefer lighter makeup.
    • I love heavy makeup looks.
    • I have sensory issues and can't stand the smell of makeup at all.

    Things that are creepy to say in any context:

    • Women use makeup as a lie to trick men.
    • I want a traditional woman who doesn't paint her face like a clown.
    • I don't know how she expects to attract a man when she's not even putting in any effort to do basic makeup.
    • I bet she's really ugly without all that makeup.
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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    See this sounds like whining to me. How does one tell the difference?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    I think if you can't tell the two categories apart you should talk about it with a healthcare professional. I don't know what it's called in English, but there exists a type of therapy focused on teaching and developing skills that could be helpful.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    Healthcare professionals don't generally judge people to be whining. They try to listen and understand them. Which is hard to do if you dismiss people as whining because you lack the emotional intelligence to hear their grievances.

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  • [+] -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    This is valid:

    It triggers my flight or fight response when someone has too much on and I can't accurately make out their features.

    This is needlessly insulting:

    the single ugliest thing a person can do to them self. Its vile and revolting.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    What stray said but also omg, please write more clearly. Write full sentences and don't put random sentence breaks in places they don't belong. I assume this is a second language issue and I apologize but it needs grammar work and as long as you're being rude you can at least be easy to read.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Sharing your opinions of how others chose to dress or act is weird unless you are doing it to influence others. Trying to influence people by belittling them is rude.

    You could be saying it about how someone dresses, or dances, or what bike they chose to ride.

    It is unfortunate that men belittling women about their makeup is so pervasive in our culture that after at least three generations of people highlighting how hurtful it is, people still think their right to state their opinion of random people is more important than people's right to go through their day without being accosted.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    How common is it that random people just tell women on face these things? Asking out of genuine curiosity

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    It’s usually not complete strangers, but friends and partners: “you look better with less makeup”, “why are you wearing that?”, “see you look good without makeup!”, “are you OK, you look sick?”, “what’s wrong, are you sad?”

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  • [+] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    What do any of those things have to do with the conversation. They didnt understand why men sharing an opinion about women's makeup was a problem. I explained my view of it.

    Life is unfair and people can be mean isn't a justification its just whataboutism cope. Rather than actually letting people consider that maybe their behavior has hurt people you are helping them justify it because people maybe somewhere other people were mean to some other person probably.

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  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    Well that's definitely a take. People can't have experiences of others and share them.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    You really aren’t getting it eh? People are literally spelling it out for you and you’re still completely dodging the point.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago*

    I just don't agree with it. People experience others and have every right to share how they experience the world around them, even if that hurts someone's feelings. No one has a right to never hear an opinion that makes them feel bad. You're not children, you're adults.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    My experience is that you would come off as a lot more approachable online if you used less words. You might think that using all those words covers up your flaws but I think you could use a lot less words and be your authentic self and people would like being around you more.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Not all men, but definitely you

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    That's the kind of prejudiced reasoning that makes the mess to begin with.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It's not prejudiced to judge someone for their actual actions

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    And what have you concluded about me from these alleged actions?

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    I'm sorry, that sounds awfully close to whining about women wearing makeup.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    God forbid someone have an opinion on makeup that isn't positive! Stone them!

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (11 children)

    “I prefer it when you don’t shave your legs”. So? Keep it to yourself weirdo, I’m not doing it for you.

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  • [+] 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    You got me being a narcissist from just that?

    You wouldn’t find that comment really weird from anyone you’re not sexually involved with? Yeah obviously it’s different when it’s a partner, but that’s not what we’re talking about. Unsolicited advice on how I groom myself is creepy to me. I think you’d find it creepy too, which is why I tried to give a more relatable example. Evidently that makes me a narcissist, jesus. Can’t talk about anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    Nobody is talking to you, though, or any specific woman, just women in general. That you equate 'I prefer women who shave their legs." with "Shave your legs, atomicrange!" shows some kind of thought pattern, for sure. Or maybe less thought and more feelings.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    People do talk to individual specific women this way. That’s what we’re talking about.

    It’s not that you’re misunderstanding or being uncharitable or there’s a miscommunication, it’s because I’m not thinking, I’m just a dumb woman only feelings no thoughts head empty. Thanks for the valuable discussion, love trying to give a perspective and being met with condescension.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (4 children)

    That may be what you have reduced the discussion to, a personal experience, but the op comment spoke generally, not specifically, as did I. So we are not talking about the same thing. At what point did you start thinking specifically, and not generally?

    If your beleifs don't come from a well reasoned argument, from where else but feelings would your thoughts arise?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry, I’m incapable of discussing this due to my lack of reasoning. Obviously I’m too emotional because I tried to offer an example of what this might be like to experience that men might find it easier to relate to. What a stupid brainless thing of me to do. Sorry my beliefs (what were they again? That it would be weird if some rando commented on your appearance?) are idiotic and based in pure emotion not rational thought. Gross.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Being defensive is your choice. I'll leave you to it.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago

    I’m merely intimidated by your superior intellect. I really wish you’d impart more of your wisdom on us. Please, tell us more about how stupid we are for finding things some men do annoying. I’m learning so much from your superior logical brain.

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  • [+] -27 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    You seriously need to calm down.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    You seriously need to stop following me. Imagine having the gall to tell a woman to calm down while talking about men being shitty about women seeing makeup. Fuck all the way off.

    Edit: meh. Blocked

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  • [+] -24 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    The gall? The gall to expect others to never have an opinion you don't agree with and if they do? BLOCK THEM! Like a child putting their finger in their ears. I look forward to the inevitable block. It will let us converse about you in peace, without you knowing about it. Kind of like that Tea app.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Homie going to bat for every piece of shit dude he never met in existence right now fake-peppino-run

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  • [+] -11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    And every good dude caught in the crossfire, and anyone else harmed by such a vicious and cruel worldview.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It was December, 2038. The girl soul crushing worldview of boys bad has caused unspeakable horrors. Two months ago they attacked the boy-grain, or boain for short. Without those food supplies our boy population will not be able to sustain itself. It is a grim time ahead for boys. If only the girls were not so cruel.

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  • [+] -28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Bye Felicia!

    Edit: Nice edit that’s not in your edit. For the record I’m not following you, this is a public forum. I don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about.

    And I have zero shits to give what gender you are.

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